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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3376 on: February 25, 2015, 04:14:01 AM »
THE AFL will not step in and force Essendon to remove James Hird as senior coach even if Bombers players are found guilty of doping charges.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-wont-be-forced-out-of-essendon-says-afl-ceo-gillon-mclachlan/story-fndv8gad-1227237592628

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3377 on: February 25, 2015, 07:03:28 AM »
THE AFL will not step in and force Essendon to remove James Hird as senior coach even if Bombers players are found guilty of doping charges.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-wont-be-forced-out-of-essendon-says-afl-ceo-gillon-mclachlan/story-fndv8gad-1227237592628
Would have thought that Essendon would be forced to act, not the AFL as last time I looked I thought he had a contract with the Bombers, not the AFL. :whistle
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3378 on: February 25, 2015, 08:52:39 AM »
reckon coaches would be the same as players in that ultimately they are  employees of the AFL. its how they circumnavigate restrictions of trade laws
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3379 on: February 25, 2015, 02:27:18 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3380 on: February 26, 2015, 04:05:48 AM »
Australian anti-doping chief Ben McDevitt has suggested Essendon and coach James Hird are to blame for the delays in securing a resolution for the supplements saga and has warned he is likely to appeal any finding that is not a "reasonable decision".

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-warns-it-could-appeal-essendon-case-20150225-13p06n.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3381 on: February 27, 2015, 08:27:28 PM »
JAMES HIRD's legal battle is over, with the defiant Essendon coach deciding against a High Court appeal to allow the club to "move on and play football".

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-27/hird-ends-legal-fight

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3382 on: February 27, 2015, 08:31:14 PM »
Does,anyone think that the environment in which hird will be coaching in would be less than favourable, in regards to 15 other club's views on his selfish, cowardice unaccountability and the detrimental effect it has had on the industry and game?
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3383 on: February 27, 2015, 09:56:37 PM »
I don't think he would give a poo quite frankly

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3384 on: February 28, 2015, 05:25:21 AM »
Does,anyone think that the environment in which hird will be coaching in would be less than favourable, in regards to 15 other club's views on his selfish, cowardice unaccountability and the detrimental effect it has had on the industry and game?

Sounds like something Hird should sue the afl over
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3385 on: March 02, 2015, 06:15:33 PM »
Dank blaming everyone else again including the Essendon players.


Stephen Dank says he would 'do it again'

Claire Siracusa
The Age
March 2, 2015



The sports scientist at the centre of the Essendon supplements scandal, Stephen Dank, says that Essendon players knew exactly what they were given and that if he was approached by another club, he would "do it again".

Speaking on Triple R radio on Sunday morning, Dank said that he did nothing at the club that he didn't have permission to do.

"The immediate answer to that is, yes, I would do it again," he told The Party Show. "Don't forget ... there was nothing that we did that we did not have permission for. There was nothing that we did that no one had any issues with and we certainly didn't do anything that wasn't discussed well throughout the club infrastructure."

Dank said that the players knew exactly what they were given, including things to take home, and that all the substances from the program have "some sort of approval somewhere in the world".

"In the early days when we first started ... any player who could not say what we were giving them, what they were taking it for, what the benefit was, they weren't allowed to take it or have it until they sat down and I went through that again," he said. Dank said he and then high performance manager Dean Robinson enforced this until players were "coherent with that information".

Dank also detailed the substances used at Essendon. "These substances are well and truly part of an established landscape in terms of medicine in this country and overseas. All of these substances have some sort of approval somewhere in the world, for use, both therapeutically and in a general medicial sense," he said

"These substances were prepared in a high-grade pharmaceutical facility. So there were again a lot of furphies that had sort of got out there about stuff that was dangerous, stuff that had come in from China. It really had got to a ludicrous proportion."

Dank said "everything was very, very well documented" and that more than half a dozen people at Essendon know what went on during his time there.

"There was certainly a tremendous amount of governance and diligence in relation to the program." he said.

"The furphy that there was no record keeping, the furphy that no one knew what was happening, I mean, to be perfectly honest, they are just lies that have been propagated by both the AFL and ASADA to help construct an ending to suit their means."

Dank said he had detailed records, which he had left at Essendon.

"It was certainly left on the club intranet," he said. "Those records recorded every player on a spreadsheet for every day, every week, every month of the season.

"You probably need to ask Essendon Football Club [where they are]."

"I can say for sure that those records were kept ... after my leaving the club. And that has been verified through an external body."

"You would need to discuss with both the AFL and the Essendon Football Club why they have tried to perpetrate the line that these records don't exist."

He claimed the AFL would do "whatever they can to imply [Essendon] have done something wrong and suspend them".

"If you think about what truly is given to athletes around the world to performance enhance - true doping charges, true doping substances - if it was systematic and as deep as they try to imply that it is, surely the guys should get two years and not two weeks," he said.

"In terms of the whole performance biology I would say it was a five to six percenter... It was never set up to be performance enhancement. It was certainly biological management in relation to tissue loads and tissue stress. And it didn't even come close to some of the more important things we were doing in terms of physiological adaptation for performance.

"The guys down in Canberra and the guys down in AFL House would have you think that there was some Lance Armstrong-type moment in terms of what we were running ... if I was doing something that was performance-enhancement, it certainly wouldn't represent the program at Essendon Football Club."

Dank said he would not be defending himself at the AFL Tribunal, which he described as a "kangaroo court", but that he would defend himself "in the legal jurisdiction where this is warranted".

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-says-he-would-do-it-again-20150301-13s29k.html

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Senior Bombers players meet with AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan (afl site)
« Reply #3386 on: March 03, 2015, 11:47:54 PM »
Senior Bombers players meet with AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan as anti-doping verdict approaches

Nathan Schmook 
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March 3, 2015 8:07 PM


A DELEGATION of senior Essendon players met with AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan last week in the countdown to the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal's decision on whether they will face suspensions.

Captain Jobe Watson and fellow leaders Brendon Goddard and David Myers represented the Essendon players at the private meeting with McLachlan, which was held at the CEO's home.

An AFL spokesperson confirmed to AFL.com.au the talks had taken place. 

"The Essendon players requested a meeting with Gillon, and he agreed to that meeting. It was a private meeting and we have no further comment to make," the spokesperson said.

Channel Seven reported on Tuesday evening the AFL's general counsel Andrew Dillon was also present for the talks, which were held last Monday evening.

It is understood potential outcomes of the Anti-Doping Tribunal were not discussed.

However, the players arranged the meeting to gain a better understanding from the AFL about the Tribunal process.

It is understood the club was aware of the meeting and fully supportive of it.

The Anti-Doping Tribunal is deliberating on whether 34 past and present Bombers are guilty of taking the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4.

Those players are serving provisional suspensions and could have any bans handed down by the Anti-Doping Tribunal backdated.

Goddard, who joined the Bombers at the end of 2012 as a restricted free agent, was not part of the club's supplements program.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-03/senior-bombers-players-meet-with-afl-ceo-gillon-mclachlan-as-antidoping-verdict-approaches

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AFL floats possibility of small penalty if Dons guilty, but ASADA stays silent

Jake Niall
The Age
March 5, 2015


The AFL suggested to the special doping tribunal that present and former Essendon players should receive a small match-based suspension if they were found guilty of taking a banned substance.

But while the AFL's representative did make a suggestion on any potential penalties, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has reserved its position on whether the players should be entitled to a discount for cooperation, which would cut any sentence from 12 months to six months, with backdating from last year.

Sources familiar with evidence from the recently concluded tribunal hearing said ASADA's advocate Malcolm Holmes QC, did not broach the topic of penalties - the drugs agency reserving its position until after a verdict - but that the AFL's representative suggested that a smaller match-based penalty would be appropriate in the event of a guilty verdict.

The AFL left it open for the tribunal to decide whether the players should be found guilty or acquitted of taking the banned peptide thymosin beta-4.

The AFL's legal representative in the month-long hearings, Jeff Gleeson QC, is understood to have told the hearing that a match-based penalty - rather than the blocks of months that are usually involved in doping cases - would be more appropriate, because it fitted the AFL as a team-based sport, if players were found guilty.

ASADA had previously offered the 34 players a six-month ban, plus backdating, after show-cause notices were issued for the first time in 2014 and before Essendon and coach James Hird tried, unsuccessfully, to have the investigation ruled unlawful in the Federal Court. That offer has not been repeated since the tribunal case started.

The idea of a small penalty was raised in the content of "comfortable satisfaction" - the standard of proof for doping charges. "Comfortable satisfaction", unlike the higher criminal standard of "beyond reasonable doubt" or the lesser civil standard of "balance of probabilities", takes into account the consequences for the individual. A severe penalty raises the level of proof required.

A smaller penalty is also consistent with the view that players were "duped" and did not knowingly take banned substances.

The legal representatives for 32 of 34 players, led by David Grace QC and solicitor Tony Hargreaves, did not broach the topic of penalties, their case focusing only on seeking to have the players cleared. The counsel for Western Bulldogs pair Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall likewise did not address the issue of penalties. The defence for the 32 has maintained optimism that the players will be cleared.

ASADA's written submission for the case is understood to have been close to 360 pages, with lengthy submissions - as much as 60 pages - coming from the players. The mountain of material that tribunal chairman David Jones and his panel have to assess also includes weeks of oral evidence and documents.

Jones indicated to the parties he was mindful of the looming start to the 2015 season but he did not specify a time frame for the verdict from his panel, which also includes former judge John Nixon and former Sydney player and lawyer Wayne Henwood.

In the event of either side appealing the verdict, the next step would be the AFL's special appeals tribunal, chaired by Peter O'Callaghan QC, and then the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The World Anti-Doping Agency would have the option of appealing the sentence and taking it straight to the CAS, which typically happens only when WADA believes a penalty is inadequate. Opposing advocates Holmes and Grace usually sit on the CAS.

The players are provisionally suspended until the case concludes and have chosen not to apply to play in the NAB Challenge. This enables the backdating of any sentence in the event that they are found guilty. ASADA boss Ben McDevitt suggested to a senate hearing last week that backdating could begin from November, when the infractions were issued. In the event of a six-month ban, backdating from November would see players miss games until early May.

ASADA had also indicated last year it was willing to offer players "no significant fault, no significant negligence" under the WADA code, which cuts a two-year ban to 12 months. The question of whether it will renew that six-month offer for cooperation is unclear.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-floats-possibility-of-small-penalty-if-dons-guilty-but-asada-stays-silent-20150304-13v3fu.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3388 on: March 05, 2015, 09:14:13 PM »
co-operated?


In further news, when alking about Hird returning to the club that flog Brendan Goddard said "It just felt right when he walked back through that door"  :-[ :-[ :-[

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3389 on: March 05, 2015, 09:15:57 PM »
Don't u just love the corruption across the board.

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