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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3390 on: March 05, 2015, 09:44:29 PM »
FOUR Essendon players have broken ranks and decided to play in the NAB Challenge despite being at the club during the controversial 2012 season.

Nick O’Brien, Jackson Merrett, Elliott Kavanagh and Lauchlan Dalgleish were today named for Saturday’s match against St Kilda after they seeked permission from the club including coach James Hird.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-break-ranks-to-play-in-nab-challenge-despite-being-at-the-club-during-2012-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1227249576151

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3391 on: March 05, 2015, 10:21:00 PM »
co-operated?


In further news, when alking about Hird returning to the club that flog Brendan Goddard said "It just felt right when he walked back through that door"  :-[ :-[ :-[

He didnt did he. haha
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3392 on: March 05, 2015, 10:45:52 PM »
Is he the one who bawled when he played his old club?
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3393 on: March 06, 2015, 06:55:09 AM »
Is he the one who bawled when he played his old club?

Goddard? Yep

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3394 on: March 06, 2015, 08:53:01 AM »
Also the one that begged the Saints to keep him!  Yeah, his word is rock solid.   :lol

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3395 on: March 06, 2015, 09:59:02 AM »
FOUR Essendon players have broken ranks and decided to play in the NAB Challenge despite being at the club during the controversial 2012 season.

Nick O’Brien, Jackson Merrett, Elliott Kavanagh and Lauchlan Dalgleish were today named for Saturday’s match against St Kilda after they seeked permission from the club including coach James Hird.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-break-ranks-to-play-in-nab-challenge-despite-being-at-the-club-during-2012-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1227249576151

4 duds that wouldn't get a game anyway.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3396 on: March 06, 2015, 11:31:06 AM »
Is he the one who bawled when he played his old club?

Goddard? Yep

poor Brendan

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3397 on: March 06, 2015, 03:22:57 PM »
Damien Barrett goes whack at Essendon and Hird ...

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Solidarity. It's all the rage at Essendon on February 11, and out the window by March 5.

Solidarity. It's just a word Essendon chose to shout as it thumped its chest yet again, when it suited it.

Like another word. Truth. Remember that one? Hird told us way back when that when the truth came out, the club would be in a state that bordered heaven.

We've long been aware that we will never, ever, get the whole truth from anyone directly associated with this mess, but we're still waiting on your version of it, James.

Essendon's management of this saga has actually been as questionable as the 2012 actions which remain the subject of the ASADA probe.

Hird and Little have taken on not just the AFL systems but also the courts of the land. They've played the long game, hoping fatigue would wear everyone down. It nearly has, including their own relationship.

The court actions were never anything but sideshows to the main issue. And even after losing – twice – in Federal Court actions involving four judges, Hird wanted us all to know he still felt he had legal right on his side.

Regardless of outcome at the anti-doping tribunal, which is expected to hand down its findings before the 2015 home and away season starts, the hope is that one day, Hird and Little and others at Essendon will actually "get" what the real issue has always been and will forever be: players under the club's watch were exposed to at-best questionable practices never before seen in VFL/AFL. For a sustained period, with little or no control.

Another hope is that the players themselves, as well as some of those who manage them, realise it too.

Seemingly, everyone who holds a position of power outside the Essendon bubble does.

Here's our final hope.

That the people of Morwell who attend Saturday's match reserve a special acknowledgment for four young men - Nick O'Brien, Jackson Merrett, Elliott Kavanagh and Lauchlan Dalgleish.

Whether those four made the decision to play themselves, or whether one of Hird or Little made it for them, does not matter.

In playing in this match, they will have moved on.

Now, there's something that Hird and Little, as well as the Essendon people they've managed to brainwash for two years already, might want to attempt at some stage. Not for themselves, for they clearly don't feel they need to, but for the sake of everyone else in football.

Read more: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-06/so-much-for-solidarity-essendon

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3398 on: March 06, 2015, 03:50:25 PM »
If the Tribunal drags the case into the start of the 2015 season, the Bombers would be able to use their 13 top-up players to help fill their side, but Hird said that prospect was not in their thoughts.

"We're not thinking they will be required in the regular season because we're very confident with the way the Tribunal will go with our players."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-06/six-dons-to-sit-it-out

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Mix of penalties likely for any Bombers found guilty by the tribunal (Age)
« Reply #3399 on: March 10, 2015, 01:19:31 PM »
Mix of penalties likely for any Bombers found guilty by the tribunal

Roy Masters
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March 10, 2015



The 34 past and present Essendon players charged with doping offences may receive different penalties, owing to different evidence presented to the AFL anti-doping tribunal.

It has been widely assumed that if the tribunal found the players guilty, they would all receive the same sanction.

While all 34 signed a document agreeing to the supplements regime of sports scientist Stephen Dank, including the intent to take thymosin, some claimed to have missed regular injections.

Sources close to the inquiry claim some players presented evidence suggesting the Dank program was erratic and chaotic.

Players claimed that when Dank approached them with, "You're due for another needle, son," they sought to avoid an injection, declaring to have had one the previous day.

Should this evidence be accepted, it could result in different sanctions for the 34 players, who have already split into three groups, with half still at Essendon, others at different AFL clubs and some in the VFL or coaching.

Dank rejects any suggestion his program was shambolic.

"There may have been rare occasions when a player reminded me he had an injection the previous day, but invariably I went back to my spreadsheet and checked," he said.

"On those rare occasions I was right.

"My book-keeping was very stringent.

"To say the program was shambolic and the injection regime irregular and haphazard is ridiculous."

Dank has always maintained that the supplement injected was not the banned Thymosin beta 4.

He was served with an infraction notice but refused to cooperate with ASADA and the AFL tribunal, meaning his spreadsheet could not be tendered to verify his claims, or those of the players.

Dank repeated what he recently said on Triple R radio – that Essendon officials were fully aware of his program.

"There was nothing that we did that no one had any issues with and we certainly didn't do anything that wasn't discussed well throughout the club infrastructure," he repeated.

ASADA spent six days on their opening submissions tendering evidence, including material indicating the players had in excess of 1000 injections.

In the absence of a positive test to Thymosin beta 4, the tribunal must consider other evidence. Whether ASADA's counsel demonstrated to the satisfaction of the tribunal that each individual player had a specific injection of a banned substance on each nominated day is open to question.

This may be relevant to the claims of some players that they missed injections.

Nevertheless, a lower standard of proof than applies in the criminal jurisdiction is required for ASADA to establish its case.

Whereas two of the three members of the AFL tribunal are former county court judges accustomed to looking at evidence through the lens of "beyond reasonable doubt", they merely have to reach a "comfortable satisfaction" to find in favour of ASADA.

The tribunal is expected to hand down its judgments at the end of March, or early April.

The tribunal will be required to write a separate judgment for each player, reflecting the different evidence presented.

It is expected the findings will be "appeal proof" to prevent this wrenching saga continuing, via the AFL Appeals board, or the Court of Arbitration in Sport.

WADA and ASADA can appeal both the verdict and the sanctions.

Insofar as the NRL's Cronulla players accepted an ASADA ban of a month of games in exchange for a guilty plea to no more than three injections each, it could be assumed ASADA would challenge any equivalent penalty by the AFL.

Perhaps the most significant comment comes from the man at the centre of the saga, the enigmatic Dank.

Asked for his final word on the players' evidence of an irregular injection regime, he offered an answer which is telling.

"Can you be a little bit pregnant?" he replied.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mix-of-penalties-likely-for-any-bombers-found-guilty-by-the-tribunal-20150309-13z3rk.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3400 on: March 10, 2015, 03:22:47 PM »
Finally Dank makes a correct statement!

That is a very bad article by Roy Masters.

If the players took TB4, it doesn't matter if they missed one or two or even more injections. You only need one injection to be banned and having a couple more does not make it worse for you as far as penalties go. Hence, the how can you be a little pregnant comment is apt.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3401 on: March 11, 2015, 12:44:42 PM »
Still no 2012-listed Bombers back playing that were involved in the 'supplement' program. Zaharakis will be playing this week but we know he refused to have any injections.

Essendon to use 11 top-up players this weekend.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-11/nab-challenge-squads-gws-v-essendon

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Anti-doping D-Day for Bombers on March 31 (afl site)
« Reply #3402 on: March 13, 2015, 12:08:16 PM »
ESSENDON players will remain in limbo until four days before the club's season opener, with their fate to be revealed by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal on March 31.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-13/dday-for-bombers-on-march-31


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3403 on: March 13, 2015, 06:47:23 PM »
6 month minimum ban pleez. No backdating. Root their season
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3404 on: March 13, 2015, 06:48:48 PM »
Caro expects them to once again to appeal and drag it into 2015
Or is that just smart journalism?
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