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If Ellis goes out Val, Knights or White could play his role, all the same.
Quote from: WA Tiger on April 13, 2013, 10:16:10 AMQuote from: Smokey on April 13, 2013, 09:58:37 AMI'm a bit bemused at why so many think Ellis is likely to be dropped. He had an excellent pre-season, good NAB Cup form, played poorly in the first match and then played very well in his short stint as a sub last week. Why would they be looking to drop our best first year player from last season after an excellent start to this year but for one poor match? He is already starting to remind me of White a bit, he is not there at all for mine, being he sub says it all really. In his first season Ellis averaged 15.7 disposals (White averages 12.2), 3.6 marks (White 3.5), 1.6 tackles (White 3.2), 1.4 rebounds (White 1.0), 1.3 inside 50's (White 2.4), 1.7 clangers (White 1.7), 0.7 clearances (White 1.2), 1.3 1%'ers (White 1.9).Ellis has had 20 or more disposals in 4 out of his 23 games, White has had 5 in his 89.Ellis received a Rising Sun nomination in his first season, White never has.Ellis is taller, heavier, fitter and faster.Ellis has played almost solely as a defender, White as a mid/forward for most of his career.How you get a similarity between the 2 is beyond me. When Ellis moves to the midfield as his development grows then his stats and value to the team will increase exponentially. In my opinion he will have 10 times the career White has.
Quote from: Smokey on April 13, 2013, 09:58:37 AMI'm a bit bemused at why so many think Ellis is likely to be dropped. He had an excellent pre-season, good NAB Cup form, played poorly in the first match and then played very well in his short stint as a sub last week. Why would they be looking to drop our best first year player from last season after an excellent start to this year but for one poor match? He is already starting to remind me of White a bit, he is not there at all for mine, being he sub says it all really.
I'm a bit bemused at why so many think Ellis is likely to be dropped. He had an excellent pre-season, good NAB Cup form, played poorly in the first match and then played very well in his short stint as a sub last week. Why would they be looking to drop our best first year player from last season after an excellent start to this year but for one poor match?
He'll be our best pick up ever
Quote from: WA Tiger on April 13, 2013, 11:56:21 AMIf Ellis goes out Val, Knights or White could play his role, all the same.Rubbish. Knights is a mid/forward - an upgrade on White and plays (has always played) a diametrically opposed role to the one Ellis has played so far in his career. Vlastuin has never played a game of senior AFL. When Vlastuin makes his debut I'm sure he will be put in a similar role to that of Ellis and Conca before him - developing the next generation of mids by teaching them defence and accountability first. But again, how the hell can you realistically and honestly compare Ellis to a mid/forward or a rookie? If you want to make a comparison then at least be fair to Ellis and wait until he is pushed upfield so you are at least in the ballpark of comparing apples to apples. Talk about hanging a kid without a fair trial!!
Smokey where do you get the idea that Ellis is faster than White? White would be in the top 2 or 3 fastest players at richmond and in the top five for endurance, and if I had the choice as to who I wanted kicking for goal to win a match I would pick White in a heart beat over Ellis.
Possibly fitter but no chance he is faster and saying his solely a defender? He played in the middle at times and is a HBF, these days they get just about as much ball as midfielders. Proves just there you're playing favourites
Quote from: Yeahright on April 13, 2013, 12:07:36 PMPossibly fitter but no chance he is faster and saying his solely a defender? He played in the middle at times and is a HBF, these days they get just about as much ball as midfielders. Proves just there you're playing favouritesYep, he's faster. Was beating White in the time trials all summer.Yep, solely as a defender. Went through the midfield at times in his role as a linkman but played off the halfback line. And whether defenders get as much ball as midfielders nowadays is irrelevant to the argument of comparing White to Ellis. Houli can get more possessions than Tuck but you can't compare them because they play in different field positions with different roles - same for White and Ellis. Houli plays a very similar role to Ellis - do you think he should be compared to White?
Not sure where you got the results but I'll believe it when I see it and happily eat my hat.
He started on the wing a few times, that counts as midfield not hbf. The as much ball as midfielders was just something I added on, I agree it was irrelevant . I should note I don't agree with the comparison as White is much harder than Ellis. But I just don't agree with the stats you provided.
The thing is when playing in defense he seemed to be very attacking to me, rather than a tight defensive game. I guess athletically and size they are similar and that's where WAT gets it from.Your links don't state if any where speed.
Quote from: Yeahright on April 13, 2013, 01:16:02 PMThe thing is when playing in defense he seemed to be very attacking to me, rather than a tight defensive game. I guess athletically and size they are similar and that's where WAT gets it from.Your links don't state if any where speed.I'm taking the licence that if he's winning the time trials then by nature he is fastest, especially when in previous years it was always White who won them.
Quote from: Smokey on April 13, 2013, 01:37:59 PMQuote from: Yeahright on April 13, 2013, 01:16:02 PMThe thing is when playing in defense he seemed to be very attacking to me, rather than a tight defensive game. I guess athletically and size they are similar and that's where WAT gets it from.Your links don't state if any where speed.I'm taking the licence that if he's winning the time trials then by nature he is fastest, especially when in previous years it was always White who won them.Bloody hell smoke, Melbourne were training he house down too mate..
