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i have heard that a certain person from another site , who frquenlty writes articles about how gr8 certain players are going has come out questioning tw coaching on friday nite based on certain comments he made after the game.

1/ terry after the game was not himself, he just saw his "sons" career possibly go b4 him!!!!
2/ it wasnt terrys fault out disposal and inside 50's were poor and our general  skill level. up until now and compared to last year we are 10 fold better!!!
3/we have lost 3 games playing attacking footy, stiff pooh, better than how we lost last yr!
4/ we lost on frid, against a team that everything they did was gold, but if simmonds , tuck and richos shots at goal went through who kn ows what may have happened
5/ we came off two 6 day breaks and it showed.
6/ the last thing we need is negative posts about our coach to satisfuy all the tiger morons who continually crave eating their own!!!
7/ its amasing how up until friday nite tw was god, after 11 loss now he cioached badly1
8/ nobody but tw abnd his men knows what they are doing and what they are planning and even though we have lost 3 games im proud of what he has acheived  thus far!
9/ up until brown went dwn we still had a chance, the team went into shock and we got blown away , but up til then we were only 4/5 goals down!!

FFS! U KNOW WHO U ARE , STOP POSTING NEGATIVE poo ABOUT TEH CLUB AND COACHES AND GIVE THE VULTURES OUT THERE SOMETHING TO FEED ON!!!

terry was not out coached on teh w/e, his changes got us back from 6 goals down to 5 points down, wghat lost it was the inability of the team to keep it up!  they are still young and learning terrys style, poo its rnd 10. and we have 7 wins!!!!!!!!!!!

thank god im only a member of this site , we must lead the way as being true supporters and support!!!
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I think your over-doing it here X-Cited.....

#1 TW did get outcoached on Friday
#2 Big stuffing deal...its going to happen again at some stage. He cant be the best coach for 22 games and out-smart the opposition every time.
#3 Why would you bother starting a new thread about the other site?
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he didnt get outcoached , we were beaten by a team a cut above us

2, it just peed me off when u i heard this and vented it out on here. Geez , we lost a game and now we have a bad coach

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No we dont have a bad coach....on that point I agree with you cut and dry.

But blind Freddy could see we got outcoached against the Dees. We had the cattle to match it (hell we came from 5 goals down on two seperate occasions) but when you continue to play a loose man in defence like Tivs who really offered nothing whilst Davey ran wild....that is outcoached.
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Arvo X – how are you?

Given that I get the impression that you’re talking about me here in this thread, I reckon it’s only fair I respond to your points in kind.

First up though – here’s the post that I left at this “other site”.

We assess the players' efforts, so its only fair we do the same for the coach after what happened on Friday.

I thought Wallace's performance was clearly sub-par. Certainly the talent on the park was in Melbourne’s favour, but Wallace seemed to refuse to play to a gameplan that involved tight tags and strong, forceful manning up.

Listening to him on AW after the game, he commented that he wasn’t sure whether to have Aaron Davey picked up when he was 100m free at times, hoping that our man (Tivendale) would hurt the Demons with the ball coming the other way.

Geez, blind freddy could’ve told Wallace that Davey’s efforts off half back were intergral to Melbourne’s continued rebounds, and that Tivendale standing at half-back waiting for the ball to come down was simply going to watch it sail over his head into the arms of a leading forward because of the ease and lack of pressure the rebounds were producing (and the pinpoint passes under no pressure that allowed).

Ultimately, Nathan Foley I think manned Davey up the tightest all night – but by then it was too late.

I thought Wallace also seemed incapable of finding a way to curb Travis Johnstone, commenting that Johnstone would lurk near the centre, then run outside the centre square the other side to get free – with his opponent (Hyde) unable to stay with him.

How come Terry didn’t just get the runner out to Hyde and say – Chris, stand beside Johnstone and just follow him wherever he goes? That ain’t rocket science.

Finally, his backline matchups were, for the most part, ordinary. Certainly, Adem Yze is going to be a tough matchup, but he was always going to be too big for Chris Newman, and too nimble and swift on the ground for Darren Gaspar.

What about trying Joel Bowden – surely he would’ve been a better matchup? Yes Bowden was on Miller, but maybe Schulz or Mark Graham could’ve switched over on him.

Actually, surely Schulz should’ve got a go in the backline at some point – Ben Holland was always going to be too big for Gaspar early. Then Daniher chucks a further good idea into the forward line by bunging Cam Bruce in there. I don’t really think we ever really got a good match up on him either.

Certaintly, as I said, Melbourne had the better cattle on the night. But geez, I certainly don’t think our guys were matched up or used as well as what they should’ve and could’ve been.



In response to the points you raised X:

1/ terry after the game was not himself, he just saw his "sons" career possibly go b4 him!!!!

He was upset certainly after the game, but that’s the way he answered a direct question on this issue.


2/ it wasnt terrys fault out disposal and inside 50's were poor and our general  skill level. up until now and compared to last year we are 10 fold better!!!

I agree X on both points. As you see in my post, I don’t talk about disposals in relation to Wallace’s efforts as a coach. I’ve actually saved that for another thread at this “other site”.


3/we have lost 3 games playing attacking footy, stiff pooh, better than how we lost last yr!

Agreed X, but there is a worrying pattern developing here in our losses. Wallace, as I said in my post above, didn’t have all the cattle he wanted on Friday night, but certainly he also needs consider closing down a game at times rather than opening it up and attacking all the time.


4/ we lost on frid, against a team that everything they did was gold, but if simmonds , tuck and richos shots at goal went through who kn ows what may have happened

Agreed X, but this doesn’t relate to Terry’s coaching performance.


5/ we came off two 6 day breaks and it showed.

Two six day breaks don’t relate to Wallace admitting he couldn’t get a player near Davey or Johnstone for most of the night. As I said, ultimately Wallace did decide to pick up Davey close – and in the end Foley did it. Whether there were two six day breaks or not doesn’t stop the coach getting the runner out to a player and saying “Stand beside him mate”.


6/ the last thing we need is negative posts about our coach to satisfuy all the tiger morons who continually crave eating their own!!!

Previously I’ve said that Wallace had done a great job thus far. But why not question and critique a coach’s performance as much as a players? Is Wallace, as a coach, above question or reproach?


7/ its amasing how up until friday nite tw was god, after 11 loss now he cioached badly

Wrong X – have never said Terry Wallace was God (or even the Messiah). No coach is. He is a vast improvement over the last few coaches we’ve had, but if Friday night proves anything, it proves he is not God


8/ nobody but tw abnd his men knows what they are doing and what they are planning and even though we have lost 3 games im proud of what he has acheived  thus far!

I am proud of the Tigers so far too X, hugely proud. But that doesn’t mean I can’t question performances from players and coaches, or wonder (as I did on Friday) why Wallace couldn’t get the match-ups he was after.


9/ up until brown went dwn we still had a chance, the team went into shock and we got blown away , but up til then we were only 4/5 goals down!!


We were close at that stage X, but we weren’t ever going to get over Melbourne who were playing like absolute winners. The team did go into meltdown after Brown went off and conceded 6 gls to 1 in 11 minutes.
Normally that would, in a straight football sense, be unforgiveable. But, given what happened to Brown, it is understandable.



One final thing X – if you have a problem with something written on this “other site”, come over to this “other site” and state it.

I know you don’t post there any more, and I’m not going to get into the politics and decisions that saw this occur (as they certainly had nothing to do with me) but I would’ve thought that at least a PM from you to me on this “other site” outlining your point of view would’ve been at the very least good manners.

You call it as you see it X – that’s your right. I have the same rights X – to call it as I see it. Just because I see it differently from you doesn’t mean my opinion is less valid or worth expressing.

Chris

PS - I wouldn't think of myself as a "moronic supporter" X.

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Whether the players didn't abide by Wallace's instructions through the game and we got the result we got, Terry has still got to take some of the blame.  That's just how footy is - constructive criticism is always welcome.  I don't think you're a moron Chris and I enjoy your articles.

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Gee,If i had of known about you chris,I would have wanted u to coach us  ::)


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"Adem Yze is going to be a tough matchup, but he was always going to be too big for Chris Newman, and too nimble and swift on the ground for Darren Gaspar."

...it might have worked out that way but I don't think you could say that Gasper was a bad match up from the start. I'd have backed him. 

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Arvo X – how are you?

Given that I get the impression that you’re talking about me here in this thread, I reckon it’s only fair I respond to your points in kind.

First up though – here’s the post that I left at this “other site”.

We assess the players' efforts, so its only fair we do the same for the coach after what happened on Friday.

I thought Wallace's performance was clearly sub-par. Certainly the talent on the park was in Melbourne’s favour, but Wallace seemed to refuse to play to a gameplan that involved tight tags and strong, forceful manning up.

Listening to him on AW after the game, he commented that he wasn’t sure whether to have Aaron Davey picked up when he was 100m free at times, hoping that our man (Tivendale) would hurt the Demons with the ball coming the other way.

Geez, blind freddy could’ve told Wallace that Davey’s efforts off half back were intergral to Melbourne’s continued rebounds, and that Tivendale standing at half-back waiting for the ball to come down was simply going to watch it sail over his head into the arms of a leading forward because of the ease and lack of pressure the rebounds were producing (and the pinpoint passes under no pressure that allowed).

Ultimately, Nathan Foley I think manned Davey up the tightest all night – but by then it was too late.

I thought Wallace also seemed incapable of finding a way to curb Travis Johnstone, commenting that Johnstone would lurk near the centre, then run outside the centre square the other side to get free – with his opponent (Hyde) unable to stay with him.

How come Terry didn’t just get the runner out to Hyde and say – Chris, stand beside Johnstone and just follow him wherever he goes? That ain’t rocket science.

Finally, his backline matchups were, for the most part, ordinary. Certainly, Adem Yze is going to be a tough matchup, but he was always going to be too big for Chris Newman, and too nimble and swift on the ground for Darren Gaspar.

What about trying Joel Bowden – surely he would’ve been a better matchup? Yes Bowden was on Miller, but maybe Schulz or Mark Graham could’ve switched over on him.

Actually, surely Schulz should’ve got a go in the backline at some point – Ben Holland was always going to be too big for Gaspar early. Then Daniher chucks a further good idea into the forward line by bunging Cam Bruce in there. I don’t really think we ever really got a good match up on him either.

Certaintly, as I said, Melbourne had the better cattle on the night. But geez, I certainly don’t think our guys were matched up or used as well as what they should’ve and could’ve been.



In response to the points you raised X:

1/ terry after the game was not himself, he just saw his "sons" career possibly go b4 him!!!!

He was upset certainly after the game, but that’s the way he answered a direct question on this issue.


2/ it wasnt terrys fault out disposal and inside 50's were poor and our general  skill level. up until now and compared to last year we are 10 fold better!!!

I agree X on both points. As you see in my post, I don’t talk about disposals in relation to Wallace’s efforts as a coach. I’ve actually saved that for another thread at this “other site”.


3/we have lost 3 games playing attacking footy, stiff pooh, better than how we lost last yr!

Agreed X, but there is a worrying pattern developing here in our losses. Wallace, as I said in my post above, didn’t have all the cattle he wanted on Friday night, but certainly he also needs consider closing down a game at times rather than opening it up and attacking all the time.


4/ we lost on frid, against a team that everything they did was gold, but if simmonds , tuck and richos shots at goal went through who kn ows what may have happened

Agreed X, but this doesn’t relate to Terry’s coaching performance.


5/ we came off two 6 day breaks and it showed.

Two six day breaks don’t relate to Wallace admitting he couldn’t get a player near Davey or Johnstone for most of the night. As I said, ultimately Wallace did decide to pick up Davey close – and in the end Foley did it. Whether there were two six day breaks or not doesn’t stop the coach getting the runner out to a player and saying “Stand beside him mate”.


6/ the last thing we need is negative posts about our coach to satisfuy all the tiger morons who continually crave eating their own!!!

Previously I’ve said that Wallace had done a great job thus far. But why not question and critique a coach’s performance as much as a players? Is Wallace, as a coach, above question or reproach?


7/ its amasing how up until friday nite tw was god, after 11 loss now he cioached badly

Wrong X – have never said Terry Wallace was God (or even the Messiah). No coach is. He is a vast improvement over the last few coaches we’ve had, but if Friday night proves anything, it proves he is not God


8/ nobody but tw abnd his men knows what they are doing and what they are planning and even though we have lost 3 games im proud of what he has acheived  thus far!

I am proud of the Tigers so far too X, hugely proud. But that doesn’t mean I can’t question performances from players and coaches, or wonder (as I did on Friday) why Wallace couldn’t get the match-ups he was after.


9/ up until brown went dwn we still had a chance, the team went into shock and we got blown away , but up til then we were only 4/5 goals down!!


We were close at that stage X, but we weren’t ever going to get over Melbourne who were playing like absolute winners. The team did go into meltdown after Brown went off and conceded 6 gls to 1 in 11 minutes.
Normally that would, in a straight football sense, be unforgiveable. But, given what happened to Brown, it is understandable.



One final thing X – if you have a problem with something written on this “other site”, come over to this “other site” and state it.

I know you don’t post there any more, and I’m not going to get into the politics and decisions that saw this occur (as they certainly had nothing to do with me) but I would’ve thought that at least a PM from you to me on this “other site” outlining your point of view would’ve been at the very least good manners.

You call it as you see it X – that’s your right. I have the same rights X – to call it as I see it. Just because I see it differently from you doesn’t mean my opinion is less valid or worth expressing.

Chris

PS - I wouldn't think of myself as a "moronic supporter" X.


1/ chris i never read ur piece because ur site is full of 2 faced backstabbing u know whats!
2/ what the hell would have shultz done in the back line! just like everyone else , if he had of done what he was meant to teh score would have been closer!
3/if u r so good at coaching why arnt u in the box!!!! caling the shots. dont u think terry and his staff already thought of all the things u said!!! his moves got us back withing 5 points!!
4/ the problem was not that we were out coached but we never had the players making the right options!
5/ if u think u r right , why not write an article stating ur points and get it on teh rfc website! most of u guys have no idea about coaching, and the fact u say shultz should have gone down back! is just a joke, how many games thus far has he saved 4 us down back, freshly back from injury and underdone u suggets that u have nop idea.
6/ u say why didnt terry get the runner out to tell players this nd that? who teh hell said he never sent the runner out!!! are u the runner are , are u in the coaches box! i saw the runne rout quite often , maybe he was just asking thenm what pizza they want later on and not relaying messages.


how about u go 4 the coaching job seeming u know all the players and opposition so well.
when brown did his leg, we were still in the game, after that the team went into shock mode and we shut down and got smashed!

and yes i believe u are a cr@p supporter for even starting a thread like that!

go back to ur pc and right another one of ur brown nose suck job pieces and dont post message to me again , i have nothing more to say to u !

i just stated on this site how its pathetic ppl already after our third loss are saying terry was outcoached!
he wasnt out coached, the players did not stick to the game plan 4 th ewhole game and became too richo conscious again!


so dont come on here and try and start arguements with me! how about ribg up terry and tell him face to face how u think he snuffed it as a coach on the w/e and how u could have done a better job!

thats the trouble with many richmond supprters! many of u think ur such experts and know more than the "experts"

but knowing the sight u post on, all will agree with u as i have never seen a bigger bunch of sheep



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Can I start by saying everyone's entitled to an opinion - to agree or disagree is what discussion and debate is all about.


I posted this on another thread in reply to MT:

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=1785.0

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You can't give any side 5 goals. We didn't turn up for the first 10 minutes and couldn't get our match-ups right . Played catch-up footy all night.
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Yeah the match ups were a worry.

I will repeat it - the starting match ups were a worry and it cost dearly in the first 10 minutes.

We assess the players' efforts, so its only fair we do the same for the coach after what happened on Friday.


I reckon this is a fair call.

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Listening to him on AW after the game, he commented that he wasn’t sure whether to have Aaron Davey picked up when he was 100m free at times, hoping that our man (Tivendale) would hurt the Demons with the ball coming the other way.


I actually gave Tivendale 2 votes only because he gave some drive out of back half and disposal in Friday was the best it's been in weeks ;D - so I can understand Tezza's comment here. However, I think the match up was wrong in the sense the way Davey came off our back half. I was surprised we didn't leave Tivendale at half back as our sweeper and have someone else (eg Foley) follow Davey around. I agree the move was made after the most damage had been done

I also think this match up highlighted how much we've missed Hartigan and his run and pace

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I thought Wallace also seemed incapable of finding a way to curb Travis Johnstone, commenting that Johnstone would lurk near the centre, then run outside the centre square the other side to get free – with his opponent (Hyde) unable to stay with him.


I don't think Hyde was the only one in the mid-field that was very loose on Friday. It seemed to me that all of them, especially in the first 20 minutes would not stand their opponents. Also, is it just me but Hyde just doesn't seem right to me. Seems to have lost that evasiveness he had prior to his injury - I suppose he just needs time I suppose.

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You call it as you see it X – that’s your right. I have the same rights X – to call it as I see it. Just because I see it differently from you doesn’t mean my opinion is less valid or worth expressing

PS - I wouldn't think of myself as a "moronic supporter" X.


See my comment above
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  I actually gave Tivendale 2 votes only because he gave some drive out of back half and disposal in Friday was the best it's been in weeks  - so I can understand Tezza's comment here. However, I think the match up was wrong in the sense the way Davey came off our back half. I was surprised we didn't leave Tivendale at half back as our sweeper and have someone else (eg Foley) follow Davey around. I agree the move was made after the most damage had been done

just say hypo speaking tive did teh job on davey, terry would have been labelled a genius, sometuimes coaches must take a risk, and one team has to lose, we cant all be winners

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We got caught out with Travis Johnstone because Johnstone would initially before the ball was going to be bounced stand on one wing and Hyde would pick him up. Johnstone then would run into the square as though he was going to one of 3 midfielders at the bounce so Hyde didn't follow him. Johnstone then just kept running across to the other wing and was metres free once the ball was bounced and cleared. We simply fell for that sucker punch. For those first 10 minutes we were in disarray in terms of our match-ups. Next time we play the Dees we won't be.   
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1/ chris i never read ur piece because ur site is full of 2 faced backstabbing u know whats!

X - that's got nought to do with me. If you have an issue - and by the sounds of it, you do have an issue - take it up with those you have an issue with. Not me.

5/ if u think u r right , why not write an article stating ur points and get it on teh rfc website! most of u guys have no idea about coaching, and the fact u say shultz should have gone down back! is just a joke, how many games thus far has he saved 4 us down back, freshly back from injury and underdone u suggets that u have nop idea.

Done X - a story is written and will be sent, like the others, to the club for posting on the Richmond site. From there, as is the case every week, the club will decide if it appears or not. They've been good so far, when I have been critical of elements of the side's performance - for example:

http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=featurestories&spg=clubfeatstorydisplay&articleid=199426


when brown did his leg, we were still in the game, after that the team went into shock mode and we shut down and got smashed!

Already said I agreed with you on that one X

and yes i believe u are a cr@p supporter for even starting a thread like that!

That's your opinion - mine differs. Last time I looked we lived in a society where opinions could differ.

go back to ur pc and right another one of ur brown nose suck job pieces and dont post message to me again , i have nothing more to say to u !

Why then did you reply X?

so dont come on here and try and start arguements with me!

I didn't start this thread X, I merely responded to the accusations and insults you put forward in a thread YOU started. Again, I am a member of this site as well, so if you don't like me being a member here, having the freedom to post different opinions to yours, disagree with you etc etc, you've got two choices - live with it, or don't come back here.

how about ribg up terry and tell him face to face how u think he snuffed it as a coach on the w/e and how u could have done a better job!

X - I'll go you one better - I'll write an article for the website and send it through to them, and put my name to the criticisms I raise, unlike so many other anonymous Richmond "baggers" that exist all over the place. By the way I'm not referring to you here X, because I know you are proud, passionate and paid-up as a member many times over.
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chris im not gonna get into a slinging match with u, as it was stated b4 we are all entitled to our own opinions , u think tw snuffed it, i believe the team did. if things got out of hand from my side of the arguement i apologise.

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a/ We dont have the players as yet to be able to dictate our own terms against top 4 sides on game day. We do against similar opposition.
b/ The D's were fired up after a few weeks of lacklustre performances and jumped us.
c/ IMO Geelong and D's have the best balance of running defenders/midfielders/forwards, and we will take longer to match up against them then the rest.
d/ Discounting 5 goals head start we fought an even game until Browny went down, if we had gotten a run on then who knows what the end result may have been. Instead we went into "shock" and gave up 6 goals to 1, so infact in between 15 minutes at the start of the game and 15 at the end there was nothing in it.

I thought the coaching was good. We got jumped (At times it happens and will happen when we do become a good team) and we responded well. You must realise sometimes the pre-match ups wont always favour us, in this case there were a couple of players who were the difference at the start and resulted in the D's kicking a few goals. But in between the early onslaught and Browny going off there was a great struggle between two teams out there.

We dropped our heads after the Browny incident and were outscored 6 goals to 1. Include the 5 goals headstart and that is 60 points (final margin) or can we say 20-25 minutes where our footy presence was inept.

(Is it only me or was Whelans action negligent if not reckless). Brown had the ball in the air and kicking it when Whelan dived "recklessly" at his anchored leg. I agree it is good to show enthusiasm and hardness but IMO Whelan was way off the mark, way too late and negligent. Was a free paid for a low tackle or trip ?? How can a player be reported for jumping into someones back a second too late but not in this case?? I dont want to be seen as a sore loser and nothing that gets said will get Browny back on the field but geez I'm still shaking my head at Whelans "white line fever" attempt at tackling?/smothering? or what ever it was. I am certain it was an accident and Whelan may be a great bloke but...


 X & Chris ahhh just like the old times  ;) Gotta luv it!