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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1020 on: December 29, 2019, 08:41:34 AM »
There is more to it than that. It goes far deeper.
Australias only chance is if FIFA first suspends
Straya from All international competitions and then sends in a FIFA Committee of Management to oversee football in Australia. They can reform a proper national league without the racist anglo saxon/celtics element being in charge immediately create a 14 team national competition and immediately introduce a 10 team Division 2 with promotion and relegation at its core. FIFA should pick the clubs selected in Division 1 and Division 2. Not people involved today in the A League who are no good for the game.

The 24 clubs must also involve themselves in a National Youth League again 14 teams in Division 1
And 10 teams in Division 2.

1st Division to be called
Australian Premier League
2nd Division to be called
Premier 2
New administrators with links to the game should also take charge
Peter Filopoulos has just taken over as CEO of FFV Victoria
Peter Abraam loves football and has served on football boards in the past.
Paul Trimbole can come on board as a technical director
Danny Moulis a really good previous director from Canberra who was shafted because he was canberra and theprevious mob wanted him out. A really quality individual.



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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1021 on: December 31, 2019, 12:54:00 PM »
FIFA would only pick clubs with the biggest brown paper bags :yep.

There's not enough money in the sport here for P/R. Relegation would kill clubs.
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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1022 on: December 31, 2019, 04:04:10 PM »
Theyd pick a more balanced league of teams where finally everyone who loves the game can feel part of it once more.

I did note you didnt say anything about a proper youth league. Its on of Lowys and FFAs major failures since 2004. Australia needs a soccer revolution but this time one based on inclusiveness

In 1977 the ethnics basically took over football with Lowy being a major character . They kept it that way until they brought in and gave teams like Perth Glory
Aidlaide United Carlton Newcastle Wollongong andchances. Canberra had also been given chances and failed. They were finally on the right path. They had also produced the golden generation of socceroos from the nsl
Names like Viduka Okon Zelic Bresciano Trimbole and many others.
Instead of taking a foundation with some merit to it
They took the bulldozer to it. Now we have no youth
Coming through, many of the thousands who used to follow clubs like South Melbourne Melbourne Knights Sydney United Adelaide City and others no longer support the code.
Today we have an irrelevant top division
that very few care about. Thousands and thousands of people who contributed to keeping the game alive in the face of adversity in the 60s 70s 80s and 90s who no longer support the code.

The only answer to soccers woes
Is inclusion. Until all the major clubs of history
And there supporters are properly invited back then the game will always be divided.

It will always fail unless people realise that everyone
has to be united. That wont happen so association football will never achieve  what It may have done. Its a shame but people politics race religion and vested current interests in the a league wont allow it to happen. The A league will eventually die its already halfway there from what I can see. Its a shame but as i said before FIFA coming in with a non racial based system of governance is our only hope. The current people in the sport have many vested interests.



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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1023 on: January 03, 2020, 08:53:40 PM »
Those that ran the NSL and Soccer Australia didn't care about the game in the end. They sent it broke! Where were these "thousands" when crowds were pitiful. Sure South Melbourne were decent in size but most of the rest were park clubs in terms of their following. I'm sure Hellas supporters if South were in the A-League wouldn't care about other ethnic-based clubs like Marconi, Syd. Olympic, Melb. Knights and Preston Makedonia not being in it ;).

S.A. actually tried to create an "A-league" under the NSL banner to arrest the decline by bringing in non-ethnic clubs like Perth Glory, Adelaide Utd and Northern Spirit but to no avail as the original clubs would've change with the times. Self-interest and bickering amongst individuals back then and the existing NSL clubs killed off the comp. We also repeatedly failed to qualify for the World Cup even when playing against the likes of NZ, Israel, Scotland and Iran. The sport was on its knees. There needed to be change at the time. Hence the Crawford report.

One golden generation that didn't qualify under the NSL banner and only got one step past the group stage just once does not make a quality youth program. Players who are now 30 y.o. would've been up to 14 y.o. developing their fundamental skills in the final decade of the old NSL. They didn't follow that golden generation in terms of quality and quantity despite being under the same umbrella. We have a youth league now connected to the A-League clubs. That's not the issue. The youth issue is more complicated now days. Kids have far more choice. Whereas those from past generations would risk it all going to Europe to try and make their name in the best competitions (see Kewell & Cahill), nowdays young players can take the soft route and head off to the Middle East, China or even India and make plenty of money playing in lower standard leagues which hinder their overall development. Ethnics these days are also Asian, middle eastern and African. The heritage pull of Europe isn't there for them as it once was for sons of Euro migrants in the 70s/80s. Times have changed.

The problem with the game at the moment is within the FFA hierarchy. It's too Sydney-centric and so they based the sport's success or failure purely on the Wanderers successful entry in the A-League as well as the recent form of Sydney FC. They took it for granted and dropped the ball elsewhere in Australia and stopped promoting the HAL just as the BBL and a resurrected NBL has taken off in summer in recent years. The sniping and treatment of Ange because he was Melburnian was a disgrace; followed by stuffing up the Matildas' world cup chances by removing the coach just prior to it.

As the old saying goes, there's no need to look for (anti-ethnic) conspiracy theories when the incompetence is for all to see at the top of the admin of the sport. Thankfully the admin of the A-League is being separated from the FFA but that doesn't mean there doesn't still need to be change at the top of the FFA.     
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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1024 on: January 19, 2020, 03:35:05 AM »
It's been hard fought but the Olyroos are into the semis of the U23 AFC Championship. One more win and they also qualify for the Olympics.
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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1025 on: January 19, 2020, 09:55:39 AM »
Liverpool only need to win 11 of their remaining 17 games to win the Premier League, no matter what any other side does.

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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1026 on: January 20, 2020, 07:43:45 PM »
Liverpool only need to win 11 of their remaining 17 games to win the Premier League, no matter what any other side does.
Make that only 10. Might as well hand them the cup now. They haven't lost a home game in 1000 days.
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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1027 on: January 21, 2020, 11:40:20 AM »
The divide between new football and old soccer is to huge now. Australian soccer will never amount to anything. New Football supporters dont respect anything of the past and old soccer supporters dont respect anything of the new paradigm. Soccer is finished in this country and has been for years. Long live AFL Footy and the Tiges.

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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1028 on: January 21, 2020, 07:32:05 PM »
The divide between new football and old soccer is to huge now. Australian soccer will never amount to anything. New Football supporters dont respect anything of the past and old soccer supporters dont respect anything of the new paradigm. Soccer is finished in this country and has been for years.
There has always been divisions in Aussie Soccer. "Old Soccer" was hardly united. Too much self-interest and a fail to reform brought about its own downfall. Out of the old ethnic NSL clubs only South would be big enough to survive in the A-League. Give another 20 years and most of "Old Soccer" will go the same way as say the VFA in Aussie Rules. It's like most SANFL clubs. There's an Aussie Rules support base in Adelaide that hate AFL (especially when the Crows suck lol) and only go to SANFL games but only one SANFL club in Port can support its own AFL club.

Soccer is too big to fail. It would have died off decades ago if that wasn't the case after the old "wogball" days and then the sport being sent broke in the late 90s/early 2000s by the old admin of Soccer Australia.

It's no different to basketball. High participation sport that rides on the following of the best overseas league(s) but popular mainstream support rises and falls on the back of the form of the national team and high profile Aussies playing the game OS. Basketball was in a far worse state 5 years ago (it was a shambles) due to the way the sport was (mal-)administrated in Australia but has totally turned things around. Gallop's 7-year reign of the FFA was terrible  ::). Too Sydney-centric, internal disputes around our national coaches (the treatment of Ange was a disgrace), no promotion of the domestic game (especially outside of Sydney), and slow to react to a changing Aussie summer sporting landscape (with the intro of BBL & AFLW). Soccer is still suffering the effects of that. It can be turned around relatively quickly but it needs decisive leadership with initiative and clear direction within the FFA that doesn't think Australia ends at Picton.

Long live AFL Footy and the Tiges.
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ps. our Tiges being a perfect example of turning a basketcase organisation into a power on and off-field thanks to decisive leadership with initiative and a clear direction.
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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1029 on: January 24, 2020, 11:17:37 AM »
Mighty Reds win again, 67 points, 40 games unbeaten, 16pts clear of 2nd with a game in hand. Wolves were our toughest opponent this season

ManUre & the Arse have 64 points combined LOL

Worst case to win the league is 27 from 45 possible points

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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1030 on: January 26, 2020, 04:16:25 PM »
They did it the hard way but the Olyroos are off to this year's Olympics  :clapping.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/01/25/olyroos-qualify-for-tokyo-olympics-after-win-over-uzbekistan/
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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1031 on: January 27, 2020, 11:37:14 AM »
Mighty Reds win again, 67 points, 40 games unbeaten, 16pts clear of 2nd with a game in hand. Wolves were our toughest opponent this season

ManUre & the Arse have 64 points combined LOL

Worst case to win the league is 27 from 45 possible points

Only took ya 30 years

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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1032 on: January 27, 2020, 11:52:10 AM »
Mighty Reds win again, 67 points, 40 games unbeaten, 16pts clear of 2nd with a game in hand. Wolves were our toughest opponent this season

ManUre & the Arse have 64 points combined LOL

Worst case to win the league is 27 from 45 possible points

Only took ya 30 years

LOL

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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1033 on: January 30, 2020, 08:38:29 AM »
Reds dispose of Hammers 0-2 @ London Stadium

now 19 points clear of 2nd place Citeh and an incredible 30 points clear of Chelski in 4th

Worst case now is only 24 points from last 14 games

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Re: General Soccer discussion.
« Reply #1034 on: January 31, 2020, 05:16:37 PM »
Liverpool are home cant lose it from here. Klopp has done a great job but its the owners who are the real heros I eeckon FSG done a brilliant job.