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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2013, 05:55:15 PM »
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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2013, 06:08:49 PM »
well thats it then. game over.
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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2013, 06:17:18 PM »
well thats it then. game over.

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2013, 07:01:28 PM »
MCG website saying they are expecting a crowd of 55,000.

55k

So why is it so bloody hard to get decent reserved seats  >:(

Its impossible this week.
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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2013, 09:04:19 PM »
MCG website saying they are expecting a crowd of 55,000.

55k

So why is it so bloody hard to get decent reserved seats  >:(

Its impossible this week.
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Got ground level Ponsford stand last week Jack, was all we could get
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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2013, 09:05:51 PM »
I got work so you guys should count yourselves lucky

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2013, 09:06:51 PM »
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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2013, 02:25:47 AM »
General admission seating:

Ponsford Stand
Q29 - Q40 1/2

Southern Stand
Q1 - Q15 1/2

Cheersquad allocation:

Hawthorn - M3 (rows A-R)
Richmond - M33 (rows A-S)

Tickets:
Available through http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=HAWTH1913

http://www.mcg.org.au/Events/Upcoming%20Events/Event%20Details.aspx?eid=167b6ce5-34da-44e5-83cb-83464e36f657

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2013, 12:22:08 PM »
Record Tigers v Hawks crowd looms

By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Wednesday, July 31, 2013

Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-31/record-tigers-v-hawks-crowd-looms


Rich vs Haw crowds above 50k

57,572 - Round 12, 1980
55,740 - Round 17, 1970
52,562 - Round 21, 1994
52,189 - Round 14, 2001
51,617 - Round 9, 2012

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames_tm.html#10

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2013, 12:58:54 PM »
Record Tigers v Hawks crowd looms

By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Wednesday, July 31, 2013

Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-31/record-tigers-v-hawks-crowd-looms


Rich vs Haw crowds above 50k

57,572 - Round 12, 1980
55,740 - Round 17, 1970
52,562 - Round 21, 1994
52,189 - Round 14, 2001
51,617 - Round 9, 2012

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames_tm.html#10

I think if they had of played this game last week they would have got a huge crowd. After the Sydney loss, the injuries we incurred and the devastating demolition the Hawks put on over the Dons, Tigers supporters excitment levels have dipped somewhat.

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Hodge, Hawks eye redemption after Tiger mauling (afl site)
« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2013, 05:03:04 AM »
Hodge, Hawks eye redemption after Tiger mauling

By Mark Macgugan
afl.com.au
7:35pm AEST Wednesday, July 31, 2013


IT WAS the game that taught Hawthorn a football lesson, and set the scene for the run of dominance that has followed.

The Hawks' form had been lukewarm early in the 2012 season, but they entered their round nine meeting with Richmond as handy favourites.

However, if Alastair Clarkson's men expected a comfortable win, they got a terrible shock.

The Tigers, with midfield running riot – Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin all had 30-plus disposals – ran away with the contest by 62 points.

Jack Riewoldt booted six goals, while at the other end Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead managed a combined three.

Shaun Burgoyne was the only Hawk to pass 25 disposals as Richmond was harder on the inside, quicker on the spread, and handled the slippery conditions much better.

The dirty day left Hawthorn with a win-loss record of 5-4 and on fringe of the eight.

Skipper Luke Hodge, who missed the game with a knee injury and watched on from the stands, remembers it as a turning point.

"To play finals football, or be on top of the ladder, you pretty much had to do what they did to us," Hodge told AFL.com.au this week.

"They dominated us in all areas.

"So I think they set the standard for what we had to do consistently, and we were able to take a lot out of that game."

The Hawks put the lessons to immediate use, going on a rampage from the very next week.

They peeled off eight straight wins, by an average margin of 81 points, and won 14 of 16 games for the remainder of the season.

Add in 15 wins from 17 matches this year, and Hawthorn's win-loss record since the Richmond debacle is 29-4 – the only losses coming to nemesis Geelong (three times) and the Sydney Swans in the Grand Final.

Having beaten the Swans comfortably in round seven, the Hawks have won their most recent clash with every club except for the Cats and Richmond.

Saturday is their first chance to get the wood back on the Tigers.

"It was a wet, scrubby day, and I think they out-worked us, got the ball on the outside, and ran hard forward," Hodge said.

"We just couldn't stop them; they won the contested possessions and the uncontested possessions.

"So we're going to have to be on our game to beat them this Saturday, because they've shown throughout this year that they're a good side."

The clash, expected to be played before an enormous MCG crowd, will also feature the added spice of a strong connection between the two coaches.

Damien Hardwick and his assistant Ross Smith are both former assistants of Clarkson at Hawthorn, and Hardwick and Clarkson remain close friends.

Given the time that has passed since the two former Hawks employees departed the club, however, Hodge was not worried about any possible inside knowledge being exploited.

"We've changed a lot since 'Dimma' was at the footy club, and even since Ross Smith was here," the 29-year-old said.

"No doubt they'll know how a lot of the guys like to play, considering they've coached them, but as far as structurally, football changes so often that it's very hard to stay on top of it when you've been away from the system for two or three years."

The Hawks' 56-point thrashing of Essendon last week was widely viewed as one of the team's best of the season – perhaps sitting alongside the earlier defeat of the Swans.

Nothing less than a repeat dose would do this week, Hodge said.

"Throughout the last month or so, we haven't played great football," he said.

"We've been able to win games, but it hasn't been convincing.

"We've played some good footy at times, but also some patchy footy.

"But [last week], if you took out the first 15 or so minutes where Essendon sort of jumped us, I thought it was a fairly consistent performance.

"We know that to beat Richmond we're going to have to come out and do exactly the same thing this Saturday."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-31/hodge-hawks-hungry-after-tiger-mauling

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2013, 08:37:42 AM »
Guerra 250th? Now I'm definitely not going

Yep one of those players who just seem to cruise against us and stick it to us wherever they go whether at Port, St.Kilda or here. Clearly a case of Brett O'Farrell syndrome kill RFC wherever they go.

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2013, 09:49:28 AM »
is this the guy with the wig?

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2013, 03:07:43 PM »
View from the opposition's perspective .....

Match Preview: Hawthorn v Richmond

By Kate Salemme
hawthornfc.com.au 10:38am
Thursday, August 1, 2013


The form line – Hawthorn

The Hawks flexed their muscles against the Bombers in last Friday night’s top-of-the-table clash in one of the side’s best performances of 2013.

Alastair Clarkson’s team convincingly best Essendon in all areas, with their pressure, ability to force turnovers and ball use far superior to that of the Bombers.

Hawthorn has high expectations though, and despite defeating the side second on the ladder at the time by 56 points, they weren’t satisfied.

Cyril Rioli and Brian Lake both believe that performance wasn’t the team’s best of the year, and Clarkson revealed post-match that the Hawks are yet to reach their peak.

It’s a scary thought for the rest of the competition given Hawthorn are 14-2 and the envy of the competition with its dynamic forward line led by Coleman Medal leader Jarryd Roughead and Lance Franklin fresh off an eight-goal performance.

The Hawks midfield is hitting its straps now too, with Sam Mitchell in good form playing across half back and in the midfield, Jordan Lewis hitting his straps and veteran, Brad Sewell finding form after being dropped in Round 16.

Isaac Smith is also in good form as one of his team’s best running weapon and Josh Gibson and Brian Lake continue to gel and form a formidable duo down back along with Ben Stratton.

The form line – Richmond

The Tigers have improved again this season and have shown a resilience that has been absent from the Richmond sides of recent years.

When challenged, the Tigers now have the leadership through Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio and Chris Newman to name a few to provide the leadership the side needs to hit back when its opposition is pressing.

That ability was evident against the Dockers two weeks ago, when Fremantle challenged the Tigers in the last quarter of the Round 17 clash at the MCG.

The Dockers got within eight points in the final term, but Richmond steadied to eventually run out 27 point winners and entrench itself in the top eight.

Against the Swans last weekend, however, the Tigers were exposed by Sydney’s relentless pressure and elite ball use through the midfield.

Coach Damian Hardwick said his team simply weren’t hard enough against the Swans and will be looking to show more aggression against the Hawks on Saturday, keen to underline its finals credentials by claiming a big scalp.

In season 2013, the Tigers have beaten only two teams currently in the top eight – Fremantle and Port Adelaide.

The worry for the Tigers

It’s the worry for most sides, but for Richmond, the Hawthorn forward line is a scary proposition.

While Troy Chaplin is capable of playing on a player like Jarryd Roughead or Lance Franklin and performing admirably, the options dry up pretty quickly after that for the Tigers.

Alex Rance is a solid defender, he performs his role to the best of his ability each week, but the face remains, he is an undersized defender playing above his weight division.

Never has that been more evident than when Rance was given the job on Collingwood’s Travis Cloke in Round 4.

The Pies forward monstered Rance to be the match-winner, booting a game-high seven goals in Collingwood’s win.

Unfortunately for Richmond, they have two Travis Cloke’s to contend with on Saturday, with Roughead and Franklin both heavyweight forwards in red-hot form.

The pair have kicked 54 and 46 goals respectively, not to mention the cameo played by Jack Gunston (29 goals) as the third tall forward and ruckman David Hale (13 goals) who also spends time forward for the Hawks.

The Tigers struggled to contain Sydney’s Jesse White (four goals) and Kurt Tippett (three) last week, and the task is probably greater this weekend against the Hawks.

Contested footy

Damian Hardwick said last week the Tigers weren’t hard enough, beaten in the contested footy by the reigning premiers and they’ll need to be better in that area against the Hawks on Saturday.

The Tigers are actually ranked 15th in the competition for contested footy, ahead of only lowly teams St Kilda, Greater Western Sydney and Melbourne.

Richmond average 136.2 contested possessions per game this season and were down on that average against the Swans last Sydney with 130 (Sydney had 144).

It is a worry statistic for the Tigers who will again be up against one of the best contested footy sides in the competition on Saturday.

The Hawks are ranked fourth in the league with an average of 147.2 contested possessions per game and it’s little wonder it’s an area of strength for the Hawks when Sam Mitchell, Brad Sewell, Jordan Lewis and Luke Hodge all roll through the midfield.

Captain Trent Cotchin is the number one contested footy player at the Tigers with an average of 12.1 per game and interestingly, slightly built half forward, Shane Edwards is ranked second with 9.9.

When analysing the contested footy numbers of Richmond, they're actually quite alarming.

Cotchin is the only player at Richmond to this season average more than 10 contested possessions per game.

Dustin Martin, considered a player who loves it tough, averages 7.6 and even Shane Tuck averages only 9.5 this season.

If Hawthorn beat-up the Tigers in the contested ball, expect to see a big Hawthorn win at the MCG on Saturday.

Why pressure is important for Richmond

Hawthorn plays a style of footy that is conducive to finals, they play hard and tough, they love the contest and gritty battles in the midfield – then they use that to get their uncontested game going, to work the footy into space.

Saturday’s game will be a big test for Richmond given their style is freer flowing.

Richmond is, interestingly, ranked 18th in the competition for tackles, averaging only 56 per game. They will need to be better than that against the Hawks, given they lost the tackle count to the Swans last week despite losing by 47 points.

Essendon gave Hawthorn too much space last Friday night, and the ball use of the Hawks cut the Bombers to pieces.

Hawthorn run at an average disposal efficiency of 73.1 per cent across its 17 games this season, so when they’re allowed time and space, there’s no turning it over.

That fact has never been more evident than against the Bombers last week, as the Hawks midfielders delivered the footy to Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead on a silver platter.

If Richmond doesn’t close down Hawthorn’s space on Saturday through manic pressure, then the Hawks will slice through their defence and kick another big score.

Why pressure is important for Hawthorn

Richmond are a young side, their players haven’t yet had the experience of playing in finals where every possession is under pressure and that’s where the key lies for Hawthorn.

Richmond have elite ball users and use the footy very well, in fact, are ranked third in the league for disposal efficiency, but when the pressure is on, their decision making and skill execution is the first to suffer.

North Melbourne identified that as a weakness in Round 15, when the two sides met at Etihad Stadium.

While the tackle count said the Kangaroos laid only 62 tackles, that wasn’t anywhere near a true reflection of how the Roos pressured the Tigers into submission.

North Melbourne always had two or three extra players at the contest because their work rate was far superior to that of Richmond and as a consequence, whenever the Tigers gained possession, they were beset upon and turned the ball over.

Richmond kicking efficiency ran at a very low 61.5 during that game, had 42 clangers and just 50 effective kicks for the game.

Although Richmond had more inside 50s, Jack Riewoldt was ineffective as a forward because of the poor ball use going forward thanks to the pressure and ability of the Roos to get numbers back.

Richmond took only nine marks inside 50 for the game and kicked 8.18 not because of poor execution, but because each of their shots was under immense pressure and from tight angles.

Key players

Hawthorn –

Sam Mitchell:
Fans and media commentators were left last Friday night only to marvel in the genius that is Sam Mitchell. He sliced through the Essendon midfield with ease and set up players into space on numerous occasions as well as delivering lace out to his forwards. His “ quickstep”  move to evade an opponent is exemplary, and Richmond players will need to be aware of how he does it. If he gets off the leash, Hawthorn will win. It’s as simple as that.

Richmond –

Brett Deledio:
Too often, it seems that gun Richmond midfielder Brett Deledio is tagged out of matches. Again against the Swans last week, Deledio was sat on by a tagger and had no influence over the game. His importance to Richmond is almost unparalleled given his line-breaking ability makes him an 80+ metre player. Against a team like Hawthorn who can strangle you, players like Deledio are a dime a dozen. He’ll need to find a way to break the tag if a Hawks player goes to him.

http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2013-08-01/match-preview-hawthorn-v-richmond

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Re: Richmond vs Hawthorn - Round 19, 2013
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2013, 03:40:18 PM »
In season 2013, the Tigers have beaten only two teams currently in the top eight – Fremantle and Port Adelaide.


Hawthorn* - Sydney, Essendon, Freo, Collingwood, Port adelaide = 5
Geelong - Hawks, Sydney, Essendon, Fremantle, Richmond, Port = 5
Sydney - Essendon, Richmond, Collingwood = 3
Essendon - Fremantle, Richmond, Collingwood, Port = 4
Freo* - Richmond, Collingwood = 2
Richmond* - Fremantle, Port = 2
Collingwood*** - Geelong, Richmond = 2
Port** - Sydney, Collingwood = 2

* = how many games against top 8 teams they haven't beaten yet
No we aren't doing to well but we are certainly not failing behind every other club. Time to move on from this line