Author Topic: Richmond receives no compo for losing Matthew White [updated]  (Read 9609 times)

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2013, 01:18:19 PM »
McGuane hasn't gone yet. Any news on the progress?

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2013, 01:23:35 PM »
McGuane hasn't gone yet. Any news on the progress?

he's a couple of k's past the big banana

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2013, 01:46:41 PM »
McGuane hasn't gone yet. Any news on the progress?

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2013, 03:54:49 AM »
Free agency compensation selections are based on the net result of players coming and going from clubs.

Last year when Port Adelaide lost two players as free agents - Danyle Pearce and Troy Chaplin - it was rewarded with two second-round compensation picks.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dockers-keeping-gumbleton-waiting-20131013-2vgsv.html


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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2013, 08:30:34 AM »
You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2013, 08:34:05 AM »
You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
I think that's a little ambitious. Will be lucky to get an end of 2nd round for both.

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2013, 08:40:59 AM »
You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
But if you lived in the real world I'd say we would get a third rounder at best for them combined.
It makes me laugh at some posters over inflated opinions on our players as opposed to other clubs players.
Danyle Pearce is a much better player than White
Troy Chaplin is a much better player than McGaune
So how anyone thinks we will get a better selection than PA did last year is beyond me.

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2013, 10:16:20 AM »
If McGuane delists himself and goes to Brisbane as a delisted FA do we still get compo, or only if he leaves our list directly/not delisted?

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2013, 10:35:39 AM »
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If McGuane delists himself and goes to Brisbane as a delisted FA do we still get compo, or only if he leaves our list directly/not delisted?

McGuane has to Friday to sign with Brisbane if we are to get anything for him.
After that he'll become a delisted free agent and we will get nothing at all for him.

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2013, 12:54:05 PM »
You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
But if you lived in the real world I'd say we would get a third rounder at best for them combined.
It makes me laugh at some posters over inflated opinions on our players as opposed to other clubs players.
Danyle Pearce is a much better player than White
Troy Chaplin is a much better player than McGaune
So how anyone thinks we will get a better selection than PA did last year is beyond me.

Thanks for giving me your opinion on who are the better footballers and for pointing out that your address does in fact include Earth, now I'll try and answer based on my original post.

1.  At no point did I say we would get a better selection than Port but I did say we might get a 2nd and a 3rd rounder or even a single 1st rounder if we combined them.  Last time I checked, 2 x 2nd rounders beats a 2nd and a 3rd and it is impossible to quantify the winner out of 1 x 1st vs 2 x 2nds until a few years in hindsight but I suppose the exalted ones who breathe the rarefied air of "reality" are more fortunate than most of us plebs.

2.  Compensation is based on 2 criteria:

COMPENSATION

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.


http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

So based on the criteria, Port got their picks for 26 yr old Pearce's 3 yr contract and 26 yr old Chaplin's 4 year contract.  Our compensation will be based on 26 yr old White's 3yr contract and 26 yr old McGuane's contract if he receives one.  Given the poor form that Pearce had displayed in his last 2 seasons at Port and their reluctance to offer any more than a 2 year contract I doubt that his contract would be vastly superior to White's offer, especially based on White's good form in his latest season so I believe those 2 would almost cancel out.  McGuane will not get a contract as good as Chaplin and that is what I base my opinion in the eventual outcome on - a 2nd rounder for Chaplin vs a 3rd rounder for McGuane.  And then when I said a 1st rounder (and I meant end of 1st round) if combined, that is based on nothing else than it is impossible to combine 2nd round picks and improve without going to a 1st round pick.

So I'll stick by my opinion as I know it was based on reasonable assumptions and I'll politely decline your offer to join you in the "real world" if it involves having opinions grown solely from the soil of my own perceived superiority.

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2013, 03:22:33 PM »
Pearcey was a required player and he was good in 2012. Kenny just couldn't match the coin and was sad to see him go.

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2013, 03:34:20 PM »
Based on that, can I assume that the value of the contract as well as the length will determine compensation?
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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 03:52:43 PM »
:rollin
If McGuane delists himself and goes to Brisbane as a delisted FA do we still get compo, or only if he leaves our list directly/not delisted?

McGuane has to Friday to sign with Brisbane if we are to get anything for him.
After that he'll become a delisted free agent and we will get nothing at all for him.
We'll get nothing for him I suspect and maybe a third rounder for White.  My prediction.
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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 04:23:59 PM »
Based on that, can I assume that the value of the contract as well as the length will determine compensation?

Yep.  The age of the player, and value and length of the new contract only, no regard is paid to prior contracts, performance, awards etc.

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Re: Compo pick(s)?
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 06:47:22 PM »
You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
But if you lived in the real world I'd say we would get a third rounder at best for them combined.
It makes me laugh at some posters over inflated opinions on our players as opposed to other clubs players.
Danyle Pearce is a much better player than White
Troy Chaplin is a much better player than McGaune
So how anyone thinks we will get a better selection than PA did last year is beyond me.

Thanks for giving me your opinion on who are the better footballers and for pointing out that your address does in fact include Earth, now I'll try and answer based on my original post.

1.  At no point did I say we would get a better selection than Port but I did say we might get a 2nd and a 3rd rounder or even a single 1st rounder if we combined them.  Last time I checked, 2 x 2nd rounders beats a 2nd and a 3rd and it is impossible to quantify the winner out of 1 x 1st vs 2 x 2nds until a few years in hindsight but I suppose the exalted ones who breathe the rarefied air of "reality" are more fortunate than most of us plebs.

2.  Compensation is based on 2 criteria:

COMPENSATION

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.


http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

So based on the criteria, Port got their picks for 26 yr old Pearce's 3 yr contract and 26 yr old Chaplin's 4 year contract.  Our compensation will be based on 26 yr old White's 3yr contract and 26 yr old McGuane's contract if he receives one.  Given the poor form that Pearce had displayed in his last 2 seasons at Port and their reluctance to offer any more than a 2 year contract I doubt that his contract would be vastly superior to White's offer, especially based on White's good form in his latest season so I believe those 2 would almost cancel out.  McGuane will not get a contract as good as Chaplin and that is what I base my opinion in the eventual outcome on - a 2nd rounder for Chaplin vs a 3rd rounder for McGuane.  And then when I said a 1st rounder (and I meant end of 1st round) if combined, that is based on nothing else than it is impossible to combine 2nd round picks and improve without going to a 1st round pick.

So I'll stick by my opinion as I know it was based on reasonable assumptions and I'll politely decline your offer to join you in the "real world" if it involves having opinions grown solely from the soil of my own perceived superiority.
Do you think the longer the post the more important it becomes? It doesn't!
How you think a second and third rounder combined becomes a first rounder is a reasonable assumption is beyond me and probably most people who can add. And trying to baffle people with long winded posts to try and sound smart is boring.
What's even more stupid is thinking White is worth a second round draft pick.
Nothing superior about my opinion just a little common sense.