Top 4 in 2014 or bust for this Richmond playing group: Wallace

[tdy]

Thank you captain no shyte

But what your saying doesn't strengthen Wallace argument. If anything you are claiming he is wrong and we should be better by '15 than currently and next year.

If what you say is true - the older half of our list are not Mich good - why is it top 4 or bust  next season? This is nonsensical.

i dont disagree with most of what we have done but we have not targeted quality in improving the list.

look ive had nothing but praise for us getting houli and grigg really good processes. but ive also regularly stated with them in time we will likely have to upgrade on the upgrades. you dont very often get quality players for nothing. but you can regularly value add.

1.  Sydney don't generally target quality when they recruit from other clubs, Mitch Morton, Rhyce Shaw they are journey men to fill holes.  Andrejs Everitt, even Mumford was second or third ruck at Geelong.  Ted Richards, Mike Pyke, all these players when recruited weren't stars.
The only place they seem to recruit stars is forward key positions. Buddy, Tippet and Barry Hall and in all 3 cases they paid overs for them.

2. We wont upgrade our upgrades we will replace with like from some other club if none of the draft picks grow into better players.

We have finally learnt to play the recruiting game.

[Darth Tiger]

The RFC philosophy has dramatically altered since Wallet took his coin & Miller was dispatched from the board.

RFC has finally realised and entered into the AFL era where a quality club invests in the draft and harvests the trade rather than the other way round.

BFT.

[Penelope]

Thank you captain no shyte

But what your saying doesn't strengthen Wallace argument. If anything you are claiming he is wrong and we should be better by '15 than currently and next year.

If what you say is true - the older half of our list are not Mich good - why is it top 4 or bust  next season? This is nonsensical.

i dont disagree with most of what we have done but we have not targeted quality in improving the list.

look ive had nothing but praise for us getting houli and grigg really good processes. but ive also regularly stated with them in time we will likely have to upgrade on the upgrades. you dont very often get quality players for nothing. but you can regularly value add.

1.  Sydney don't generally target quality when they recruit from other clubs, Mitch Morton, Rhyce Shaw they are journey men to fill holes.  Andrejs Everitt, even Mumford was second or third ruck at Geelong.  Ted Richards, Mike Pyke, all these players when recruited weren't stars.
The only place they seem to recruit stars is forward key positions. Buddy, Tippet and Barry Hall and in all 3 cases they paid overs for them.

2. We wont upgrade our upgrades we will replace with like from some other club if none of the draft picks grow into better players.

We have finally learnt to play the recruiting game.

and dont forget jolly, who was a third string ruckman at melbourne when they gave up pick 15 odd for him.

There has though, been a definite change in policy with their big spending of late, which i feel will come back to bite them down the track. the question is will it get them some short tern success before this happens

[Coach]

Surely Jolly was 2nd in line behind White. Cannot remember anyone else playing along side big Jeff

[Rampstar]

Whilst I find Walla$$ comments rich I have grave fears for us making the 8 again next year.
I don't think we have done enough during trade time so far and whilst FJ and co have done well in recent years with our first rounders I still think we may be short up forward and one or two impacting mids whether whether inside or outside short of really pushing into the top 4.

Injuries and or a bad draw and possibly getting ahead of ourselves and we could slide easily like the Crows did this year. Historically we haven't made successive finals since the halcyon days of 74/75.

I cant see us making the eight either. Not enough done as you said in this trade period. Its been a poor effort IMHO. 9th or 10th beckons for us and it will be a really disappointing end to what looked a good effort over the past 3 or 4 years to lift the club. Theres not enough class in the side to continually make the 8 let alone get in the top 4 or challenge for a flag.

[Judge Roughneck]

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Surely,Ramps, and co... at least half the building blocks are in place? We need a good run with injury, good coaching and team selection, and the other spots to be filled by people who can compliment the core of the team with competent footy (ie. Not nahas mcgaune types)

We might not win a flag in next five yeats...  yet surely we should be regularly top 8? 

[Rampstar]

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Grimes-Maric-McBean-Rance-Riewoldt-Vickery

Surely,Ramps, and co... at least half the building blocks are in place? We need a good run with injury, good coaching and team selection, and the other spots to be filled by people who can compliment the core of the team with competent footy (ie. Not nahas mcgaune types)

We might not win a flag in next five yeats...  yet surely we should be regularly top 8? 

Morris is an average footballer only, Grimes has been injury prone, Maric has only had 1 really good year his second year with us was just average IMHO, McBean hasnt played a game yet, Vickery plays in fits and spurts and has never been consistent. Still a long way to go unfortunately.

[Francois Jackson]

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Grimes-Maric-McBean-Rance-Riewoldt-Vickery

Surely,Ramps, and co... at least half the building blocks are in place? We need a good run with injury, good coaching and team selection, and the other spots to be filled by people who can compliment the core of the team with competent footy (ie. Not nahas mcgaune types)

We might not win a flag in next five yeats...  yet surely we should be regularly top 8? 

regularly top 8 like nought you mean?

Its about flags bents and while yes we have a good core we have limited class in our forward half and if jack goes down we are royally screwed.

[tdy]

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Grimes-Maric-McBean-Rance-Riewoldt-Vickery

Surely,Ramps, and co... at least half the building blocks are in place? We need a good run with injury, good coaching and team selection, and the other spots to be filled by people who can compliment the core of the team with competent footy (ie. Not nahas mcgaune types)

We might not win a flag in next five yeats...  yet surely we should be regularly top 8? 

regularly top 8 like nought you mean?

Its about flags bents and while yes we have a good core we have limited class in our forward half and if jack goes down we are royally screwed.

We need to add 1 or 2 really classy players a year, while replacing average with average and we'll be competing for top 4 in 2 or 3 years.  I'm not sure our recruiting and player development is up to it.  Last year Vlastun and a potential in McBean before that Ellis.  Its not a great hit rate.  Geelong had one super year with about 6 players that made their great team.  I forget the year.

[Judge Roughneck]

99 and 01 - I think

[tony_montana]

Yeah we are nailing our 1st pick(thank God!) but getting little else atm. I started a thread a while back stating that if the likes of Batch, Griff, Elton, Astbury, Helbig, McDonough, Arnott and in 1 or 2 years McIntosh and McBean fail to step up then we will plateau and just be making up the numbers. To be serious contenders, 3-4 of those 2nd and 3rd round picks must stand up in 2014 and become starting 22 players for us. If that happens we will launch a serious crack from 2015 and beyond, if not, not simply bc we wont be improving faster than the other sides.

[Yeahright]

Conca-Cotchin.-Deledio-Ellis-Martin-Morris-Vlastuin

Grimes-Maric-McBean-Rance-Riewoldt-Vickery

Surely,Ramps, and co... at least half the building blocks are in place? We need a good run with injury, good coaching and team selection, and the other spots to be filled by people who can compliment the core of the team with competent footy (ie. Not nahas mcgaune types)

We might not win a flag in next five yeats...  yet surely we should be regularly top 8? 

regularly top 8 like nought you mean?

Its about flags bents and while yes we have a good core we have limited class in our forward half and if jack goes down we are royally screwed.

Nah more like Sydney

[Judge Roughneck]

Conca-Cotchin.-Deledio-Ellis-Martin-Morris-Vlastuin

Grimes-Maric-McBean-Rance-Riewoldt-Vickery

Surely,Ramps, and co... at least half the building blocks are in place? We need a good run with injury, good coaching and team selection, and the other spots to be filled by people who can compliment the core of the team with competent footy (ie. Not nahas mcgaune types)

We might not win a flag in next five yeats...  yet surely we should be regularly top 8? 

regularly top 8 like nought you mean?

Its about flags bents and while yes we have a good core we have limited class in our forward half and if jack goes down we are royally screwed.

ja

but i would of thought if

T Walker
Gunston
Cloke
Tippett
Waite
Petrie
Westoff

etc. go down each club respectful would be in trouble

granted we rely on reiwoldt heavily - but we have Vickery, Mcbean, Griffiths, Elton, OHanlon, Astbury

in the past we have far less young kpp comming thou the ranks, as such

[Andyy]

Vickery has shown glimpses.

McBean not ready, too skinny, and no AFL time so far.

The rest haven't really shown anything/enough.


If Jack goes down we'll be relying more on midfielder goals IMO.

[Willy]

Bean will kick goals at AFL level next year.