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Offline tigs2011

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2013, 12:17:07 PM »
#12 - Nathan Freeman
#50 - Nicholas Bourke (unless Lang lasts here)
#66 - Sam Lloyd

Why don't you want Salim or Lenin ? Racist ? Don't like Muslim or commie types?
You got a problem with that? Seriously though I thought it was a prediction thread. Salem and Lennon will be gone.

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2013, 12:36:44 PM »
Its interesting to look at the make up of last years premiership side.

6/24 (1/4) were recruited from other clubs.
of the 16 drafted by whorethorn themselves;

9 (over half) were top 20 picks - 5 of which were top 10

4 10-20
1 20-30
3 30-40
2 40 plus with 66 being the latest pick.
1 rookie draft
of these later picks, 2 were mature age players from state leagues.

so 3/4 of the team were either recruited from other clubs or were top 20 draft picks
an interesting thing to do would be look at freo the r/u after all it took two teams to make the day.

hmm 22 players on each side g/f day.

3 from other clubs dawson, mcpharlin, pearce.

2/  1 - 10. pavlich, hill
2/ 11 - 20.  fyfe, mundy.
2/ 21 - 30. ballantyne, suban.
just 40% of their team thus far.

3/  31 -  40.  clarke, mayne, mzungu.

4/ 41 onwards. crowley, neale, sutcliffe, walters.
6/ psd/rookie. barlow, deboar, duffield, sandilands, spurr, johnson.

60% taken after pick 30. of which 6 are state league picks. and theres 7 state league players all up.

if freo relied on players from other clubs and top 30 picks they would never make finals yet alone go close to winning a gf.

it all just goes to show there is not just the high pick route to building. its all about utilising all areas and all opportunities.
we can ignore this but if we do we will always struggle.
yeah, it is all about utilising all areas. I was curious about freos makeup, i just hadnt the time or inkilng to look at it just yet.
Sydneys would be another worth checking out, and probably st kildas from their runners up years.

Just a question claw, if we had lost a grand final with that sort of difference in the make up between our side and the premiers, would you be lauding our success with later picks, or bemoaning how our poor strike rate with early picks cost us a premiership?
After all, as you say, getting the early picks is easy......
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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2013, 01:02:45 PM »
Rhetorical ey?

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2013, 11:29:34 PM »
lol al. why would i answer any question you pose yet alone,  as 2011 says a rhetorical one.  when all i cop from you is smart arse cynicysm and usually out right point scoring exercises. ffs your a bloke who brings up 12month old posts  and represents them out of context.

anyway in answer against better judgement  i think freo lost the gf  because not enough of their better picks have made the grade yet or were injured probably  about 10 top 40 picks.  yes quality or lack there of cost em.
 if i was a freo supporter id be critical of a lot of their top 40 picks. but id not be righting too many of em off just yet.
 i certainly applaud what they have done with mature state league picks late nd  and in particular rookie picks.  these picks alone see them where they are and in front of us and most other clubs.
i will add a proviso here though. they do have a better insight to wa players and most of the late nd  state league and rookie picks are from wa. imo wa players are the most underrated in the country.

as i said its about getting all aspects of drafting as right as possible. nothing more nothing less. get the balance right and follow good processes.




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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2013, 09:05:16 AM »
i've already agreed about getting all aspects correct claw.

The point is, that while Freo have done better than most with their late picks, their strike rate with the early picks has been very ordinary of late.

as for cynicysm, its really only combating cynicsm with cynicsm, isnt it. ? as you admit it was a rhetorical question, there is little doubt that if it was Richmond in that situation you would be concentrating on the negatives rather than the positives.

lol at the Lonegan quote being out of context




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“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
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And my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2013, 09:54:45 AM »
what is hilarious is whoever Richmond seems interested in one week is favourite to go earlier the next phantom draft guess lol
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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2013, 10:45:52 AM »
Sam Lloyd firming for that pick 66.

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2013, 01:19:06 PM »
what is hilarious is whoever Richmond seems interested in one week is favourite to go earlier the next phantom draft guess lol
We should say we're interested in all the duds! ;D
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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2013, 01:20:59 PM »
if we don't nail pick 66

HEADS WILL ROLL

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2013, 01:22:24 PM »
if we don't nail pick 66

HEADS WILL ROLL
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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2013, 01:23:02 PM »
if we don't nail pick 66

HEADS WILL ROLL

Fine Eyes needs to get pick 12 right and then worry about the rest later. If he goes and picks a dud the forums wont be happy.

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2013, 01:30:40 PM »
if we don't nail pick 66

HEADS WILL ROLL

If garlett goes 70 odd and wins a flag claw gunna start writing essays

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2013, 01:34:49 PM »
if we don't nail pick 66

HEADS WILL ROLL
Jobs on the line with 3rd round rookie pick. Thank god for Matt Thomas.  :bow

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2013, 01:40:05 PM »
This is probably the difference in a Richmond vfl premiership and failure

Our second selection onwards VITAL

 Not a laughing matter

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Re: Picks 12, 50 and 66???
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2013, 01:57:14 PM »
This is probably the difference in a Richmond vfl premiership and failure

Our second selection onwards VITAL

 Not a laughing matter
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