Sam Lloyd [merged]

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Have to keep in mind how far back this kid is coming from. Forget his age, he has basically come from local footy a few years ago. Still learning the game while trying to catch up on 5 years of fitness  in terms of training at the elite level..
He deserves a little leeway.
I like the kid.

Agree with that.

[WilliamPowell]

Have to keep in mind how far back this kid is coming from. Forget his age, he has basically come from local footy a few years ago. Still learning the game while trying to catch up on 5 years of fitness  in terms of training at the elite level..
He deserves a little leeway.
I like the kid.

Agree with that.

Yep 

[Penelope]

stuff me @ looks slow.
cant be that slow if he can get the ball and kick goals, as well as lay tackles.

Paul Broderick was slow, but as with natural footballers rather than athletes, their football nouse and awareness more than makes up for it.

Paul Broderick was only slow in straight line leg speed. In all other facets of the game he was like lightning.  His hands and mind were elite. No comparison here I'm afraid.
Lloyd is different.  Not quick at all but knows where to run and is always dangerous around the goals.  Rare to have a tiger player with natural goal sense. Will get better with time.

thats pretty much the point i am trying to make though, that there is more to a footballer than leg speed.

Llyod looks slow when running in a straight line, but football nouse and speed of mind make up for it,  as plenty of good players that were were not natural athletes have shown. Im not for a minute suggesting that lloyd is, or will be, as good as Broddo

as an example, Jackson is slow of mind with ball in hand, but Lloyd makes a decision quickly and executes it quickly, which is why he is dangerous around goals, and we need to remember that he will still be coming to terms with the pace of the game.

[Andyy]

stuff me @ looks slow.
cant be that slow if he can get the ball and kick goals, as well as lay tackles.

Paul Broderick was slow, but as with natural footballers rather than athletes, their football nouse and awareness more than makes up for it.

Paul Broderick was only slow in straight line leg speed. In all other facets of the game he was like lightning.  His hands and mind were elite. No comparison here I'm afraid.
Lloyd is different.  Not quick at all but knows where to run and is always dangerous around the goals.  Rare to have a tiger player with natural goal sense. Will get better with time.

thats pretty much the point i am trying to make though, that there is more to a footballer than leg speed.

Llyod looks slow when running in a straight line, but football nouse and speed of mind make up for it,  as plenty of good players that were were not natural athletes have shown. Im not for a minute suggesting that lloyd is, or will be, as good as Broddo

as an example, Jackson is slow of mind with ball in hand, but Lloyd makes a decision quickly and executes it quickly, which is why he is dangerous around goals, and we need to remember that he will still be coming to terms with the pace of the game.

Good points these. Look at an athlete like Wayne Gretzky, who scored/assisted more goals in the NHL by a country mile and currently holds 60 NHL records.

And he wasn't tall, strongly built or quick either. All between the ears!

[the claw]

gunna have to disagree once again with people.

this is no kid we are talking about.
hes a sml fwd who is actually 24 and for a sml specialist has a pretty significant weakness in that he lacks pace.
at 24 for a sml  he has little real upside imo. he does as people say have a fitness upside.

the other issue is with the way the game is going. your sml specialist fwd cannot be slow not with the number of talls most clubs are playing both fwd and back. if he cant apply constant pressure and defend as well as kick goals he will be a liability in some ways and  he will limit what structures we can go with.
again i will say im all for playing him and seeing where it ends up.  it is nice to have a genuine sml fwd who knows how to kick goals.the thing is to me hes just another upgrade who will need upgrading in time. he may not be a glass half full but hes certainly a 60/40 for want of a better way of putting it. i dont think he will be anything more than good ordinary.
i sure as hell hope we dont put all of our sml fwd eggs in just the lloyd basket.

[Judge Roughneck]

going at twice as many possessions per game as king

thats upside in my book

[bojangles17]

his panther like reactions compensate for not being a backmarker at Stawell gift

[TigerLand]

If he kicks goals I don't care how fast he is.

Everything is pointless unless he knows where the goals are, and at the moment he's one of very few players that do.

[one-eyed]

Choco Williams on Lloyd ...

“It took a few games in the ‘twos’ to show his form, and probably build his fitness and his body shape in the right order to play AFL.  He worked really hard at that.

“In the games he played he showed some good stuff, but inconsistency with young players is typical.

“We hope that he can play at least half of the games for the rest of the year, and each week in the last few we’ve been talking about trying to get him back into the side.

“The path that he’s taken to get here, usually those sort of players are more resilient.  They’re more determined, and hopefully that leads to a long career.”

Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-08/lloyd-eyes-senior-return

[Phil Mrakov]

This guy should've never been dropped imo

[Diocletian]

Still considered a "cub" at 24?

“In the games he played he showed some good stuff, but inconsistency with young players is typical.

Again...24....not a kid....

[eliminator]

stuff me @ looks slow.
cant be that slow if he can get the ball and kick goals, as well as lay tackles.

Paul Broderick was slow, but as with natural footballers rather than athletes, their football nouse and awareness more than makes up for it.

Paul Broderick was only slow in straight line leg speed. In all other facets of the game he was like lightning.  His hands and mind were elite. No comparison here I'm afraid.
Lloyd is different.  Not quick at all but knows where to run and is always dangerous around the goals.  Rare to have a tiger player with natural goal sense. Will get better with time.

thats pretty much the point i am trying to make though, that there is more to a footballer than leg speed.

Llyod looks slow when running in a straight line, but football nouse and speed of mind make up for it,  as plenty of good players that were were not natural athletes have shown. Im not for a minute suggesting that lloyd is, or will be, as good as Broddo

as an example, Jackson is slow of mind with ball in hand, but Lloyd makes a decision quickly and executes it quickly, which is why he is dangerous around goals, and we need to remember that he will still be coming to terms with the pace of the game.

Agree vision in football is a critical skill to have. Broderick was a brilliant footballer because his vision was extraordinary. If you have the ability to make sound decisions very quickly it does not matter how quick you are pace wise.

[yellowandback]

Still considered a "cub" at 24?

“In the games he played he showed some good stuff, but inconsistency with young players is typical.

Again...24....not a kid....

I would assume the context being "At this level"

[tony_montana]

Still considered a "cub" at 24?

“In the games he played he showed some good stuff, but inconsistency with young players is typical.

Again...24....not a kid....

I would assume the context being "At this level"

yep, from where he has come was a massive step up in conditioning, if he can handle the requirements to have ther necessary conditioning at this level then I have no doubt his talent is sufficient for him to make the grade

[tony_montana]

Get this lad in tip top physical shape, work him to the bone for the rest of the year and a massive preseason and he will be a gem. Has a touch of class and most importantly knows where the goals are.