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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2013, 12:03:26 AM »
Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.

Lack of balls & heart is often the trade off with genuine speedsters - better a flashy linebreaker to have that issue than a mediocre plodding footsoldier like Shaun Grigg.
and a guy with one of the worst beep tests going around and doesn't actually play midfield is going to do this? Gordon and Lloyd are both quick and can actually kick a footy and aren't soft as butter. But yeah we picked the wrong guys lol

Going by the vision Lloyd and Gordon dont look quick at all.

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2013, 01:07:24 AM »
Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
lol when all else fails attack the kids.

okay if not marsh why not james sicily. oh i know why hes a total hack as well.not according to others.

i think the point is being missed anyway. we took just one kid in the entire trade nd period. we saw fit to use picks on mature players who would almost certainly have been there later rather than use it or them on a kid.
they are amateurs down there thats for sure.

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2013, 01:22:50 AM »
Gotta attack the kids 1500 people nominated

Most of them will fail. Only so many picks

Hence to discuss the weakness of them is only natural.

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2013, 01:32:58 AM »
Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.

Lack of balls & heart is often the trade off with genuine speedsters - better a flashy linebreaker to have that issue than a mediocre plodding footsoldier like Shaun Grigg.
and a guy with one of the worst beep tests going around and doesn't actually play midfield is going to do this? Gordon and Lloyd are both quick and can actually kick a footy and aren't soft as butter. But yeah we picked the wrong guys lol

Going by the vision Lloyd and Gordon dont look quick at all.

Neither possess anything like the genuine linebreaking pace we require, that's for sure.
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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2013, 02:04:40 AM »
Going by the vision Lloyd and Gordon dont look quick at all.
Should watch more than a few clips.

lol when all else fails attack the kids.

okay if not marsh why not james sicily. oh i know why hes a total hack as well.not according to others.

i think the point is being missed anyway. we took just one kid in the entire trade nd period. we saw fit to use picks on mature players who would almost certainly have been there later rather than use it or them on a kid.
they are amateurs down there thats for sure.
I've said all along I don't rate Marsh. I had him down in the 70's in my rankings below Gordon/Lloyd. Sicily I don't mind. But he's also scared to win a hard ball and has shaky kicking. Good mark for a skinny little fella though.

Templeton is the one I don't understand people overlooking. Has me baffled.

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2013, 09:17:22 AM »
I actually dont really care if they quick or not. I dont see them as being quick from the limited vision I seen. I only wanted us to make sure we got a good pick 12. I wasnt expecting anything else and if gordon or lloyd come good I would consider that a huge unexpected bonus. My view on Marsh is that he had enough of a base to try and develop him. Collingwood will make him a player IMHO.

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2013, 11:50:40 AM »
I actually dont really care if they quick or not. I dont see them as being quick from the limited vision I seen. I only wanted us to make sure we got a good pick 12. I wasnt expecting anything else and if gordon or lloyd come good I would consider that a huge unexpected bonus. My view on Marsh is that he had enough of a base to try and develop him. Collingwood will make him a player IMHO.
He couldn't have landed in a better situation to make it. I don't rate him but Collingwood will get the best out of him. I don't think Freeman could have landed in a better situation either. He needs a lot of development and he will get that.

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2013, 12:26:12 AM »
VIDEO: Francis Jackson's review of the 2013 National Draft ...

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-21/2013-draft-jacksons-review

Summary

* Did the National Draft go to plan?
Just about! You hope it all goes to plan. There were some very nervous moments before our first pick because we weren’t sure if West Coast were going to pick Ben. So I was sweating on the number that they actually read out. It never goes 100% to plan but not far from it.

* Ben Lennon?
 It’s very exciting having Ben at the footy club. He spent his AIS week with us early in the year which gives us just a little bit more information about him. We saw how he reacted in a few situations. A number of [our] players rated him highly.  They were texting me to make sure we got Ben so that was very interesting. Ben provides a lot of class and he’s a very smart player. He sees the footy really well, is strong overhead and a terrific kick. He played a little bit more of a midfield role towards the back end of the year so we think he has a lot of versatility. His footy smarts are really exciting.

* Nathan Gordon?
We had been tracking Nathan all year at North Adelaide. He's a mature player from the SANFL. He had a fabulous finals series for North Adelaide, who played off in the grand final. He’s a very strong competitive player with a wonderful work ethic, got terrific endurance, and he competes well and is a strong mark as well. We think he may be able to play a midfield role.  He played a little mid role early on in the year but predominantly played as a forward.

* Sam Lloyd?
Sam is an old-fashioned, very intelligent, very smart footballer. He’d be very difficult to play on because he can hurt you in so many different ways. He’s an outstanding mark. We tracked Sam for two years.  We went and watched him last year playing for Mt Eliza in the Morning Peninsula league and then he made the commitment to Frankston. He had a full pre-season there and kicked a lot of goals in the VFL. He actually represented Victoria against WA where he kicked 4 goals. He’s really worked hard on his fitness and he’s got some real talent.

* Rookie Draft?
We’ll meet early in the morning and have a look at our rookie options. Quite a few players, who we anticipated might have been chosen tonight, missed out. We’ve still got a fair bit of work to go with three rookie picks but we’re excited to look forward to what other talent we can bring to the Club.

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2013, 03:04:42 AM »
Go birdman u good thing

 Change your name son  :clapping

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2013, 12:51:01 PM »
VIDEO: Francis Jackson's review of the 2013 National Draft ...

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-21/2013-draft-jacksons-review

Summary

* Did the National Draft go to plan?
Just about! You hope it all goes to plan. There were some very nervous moments before our first pick because we weren’t sure if West Coast were going to pick Ben. So I was sweating on the number that they actually read out. It never goes 100% to plan but not far from it.

* Ben Lennon?
 It’s very exciting having Ben at the footy club. He spent his AIS week with us early in the year which gives us just a little bit more information about him. We saw how he reacted in a few situations. A number of [our] players rated him highly.  They were texting me to make sure we got Ben so that was very interesting. Ben provides a lot of class and he’s a very smart player. He sees the footy really well, is strong overhead and a terrific kick. He played a little bit more of a midfield role towards the back end of the year so we think he has a lot of versatility. His footy smarts are really exciting.

* Nathan Gordon?
We had been tracking Nathan all year at North Adelaide. He's a mature player from the SANFL. He had a fabulous finals series for North Adelaide, who played off in the grand final. He’s a very strong competitive player with a wonderful work ethic, got terrific endurance, and he competes well and is a strong mark as well. We think he may be able to play a midfield role.  He played a little mid role early on in the year but predominantly played as a forward.

* Sam Lloyd?
Sam is an old-fashioned, very intelligent, very smart footballer. He’d be very difficult to play on because he can hurt you in so many different ways. He’s an outstanding mark. We tracked Sam for two years.  We went and watched him last year playing for Mt Eliza in the Morning Peninsula league and then he made the commitment to Frankston. He had a full pre-season there and kicked a lot of goals in the VFL. He actually represented Victoria against WA where he kicked 4 goals. He’s really worked hard on his fitness and he’s got some real talent.

* Rookie Draft?
We’ll meet early in the morning and have a look at our rookie options. Quite a few players, who we anticipated might have been chosen tonight, missed out. We’ve still got a fair bit of work to go with three rookie picks but we’re excited to look forward to what other talent we can bring to the Club.
lol if the plan was to take just one kid in the draft im against it.

 Ben Lennon - as if wce were going to take lennon in front of sheed. going by this they had tunnel vision and were taking lennon no matter what. id have dom sheed every time.if wce had taken acres  does that mean we would have passed on sheed .  woud we have even looked.

Nathan Gordon - again it seems they had tunnell vision. watched him all yr and just had to take him reaching for a mature player who we could have taken later.we have done this a fair bit over the yrs. dea, conca, batchelor, jon, are just a few that spring to mind where they have watched em and just had to have em.

Sam Lloyd - a sml forward at 66 probably a fair enough selection to take mature player at this point.

Ricky Petterd - did we really need to promote this below standard player. it cost us any chance of tweaking things if we wished.

Rookie draft - so from the horses mouth there were quite a few players who they anticipated might have been chosen still there.  so in fact according to our club there was talent available perhaps this will put paid to the no decent kids horse poo comments that the defenders of all things richmond put out there.

i have a question for the club.
why were we the only club in the nd period to only take one kid. every other club saw fit to take as a minimum 2 kids and that included clubs with sanctions,

there was just 5 live picks used on mature players one of em was a 21yo in lobb at pick 29. another was dayle garlett a 20yo at pick 38.

no club apart from richmond took mature players after pick 42 with a live pick where wb took matt fuller a 23 yr old with sublime footskills. they also took honeychurch at 66 a 18yo.
all other clubs after  pick 42  who had live picks were still targeting kids. it seems none were interested in mature types. except to elevate the ones they already had.

if we knew we were going to take mature players at 50 and 66  did we make an attempt to gain another pick in the 40 55 range. i dont think so.

again to finish im not against the lads we picked but i do question useing just one nd pick on  kids. im happy we could give some state league boys a go rather than  the other clubs reject players with chronic weakness and poor performance route that we usually take.
my criticism is not just about the nd but the whole trade and nd period. with just a little tweaking over the entire period we really should have had 2 or 3 18 yr olds  plus the mature players we have taken.



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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2013, 01:19:18 PM »
My guess is they've seen an imbalance in the age breakdown of the list and attempted to fill it. For the last 4 years they have focused on getting the list breakdown correct so with losing mcguane, white, derickx etc they have sewn that side of things up. I don't believe for a second the club would go back to the bad old days and jeopardise its future by just loading up and forgetting about kids. Not saying I disagree with your arguments claw, think you make a valid point but while the club continues to improve under the current watch I am going to trust their judgement on this one

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2013, 01:35:55 PM »
Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following  ::)
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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2013, 01:40:55 PM »
Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following  ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well.  :whistle

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2013, 02:31:40 PM »
Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following  ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well.  :whistle

My ever reliable sources mentioned a number of 20

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Re: Francis Jackson on SEN post-draft
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2013, 02:37:47 PM »
Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following  ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well.  :whistle

My ever reliable sources mentioned a number of 20
Roughly. Knowing a lot would obviously be gone.