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Offline Phil Mrakov

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2014, 05:19:29 PM »
Grigg is absolute garbage. The day he's in the 2's is the day we will be a premiership threat. Luckily Cadeyn Macintosh is coming through for the wing role

I'm not a huge fan of Grigg either tbh but I think he's the least scared of the two...and that's saying something

They are both equally scared but at least Houli can hit a target over 20 metres and doesn't resort to helicoptering :D
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2014, 06:00:58 PM »
Grigg is absolute garbage. The day he's in the 2's is the day we will be a premiership threat. Luckily Cadeyn Macintosh is coming through for the wing role

I'm not a huge fan of Grigg either tbh but I think he's the least scared of the two...and that's saying something

They are both equally scared but at least Houli can hit a target over 20 metres and doesn't resort to helicoptering :D

Agree.....just can't have both Scooby & Shaggy on the field jumping at shadows during games....
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2014, 06:52:20 PM »
Grigg is absolute garbage. The day he's in the 2's is the day we will be a premiership threat. Luckily Cadeyn Macintosh is coming through for the wing role

I'm not a huge fan of Grigg either tbh but I think he's the least scared of the two...and that's saying something

They are both equally scared but at least Houli can hit a target over 20 metres and doesn't resort to helicoptering :D

Agree.....just can't have both Scooby & Shaggy on the field jumping at shadows during games....

Put it this way... I wouldn't care if a Grigg got sacked tomorrow in fact I'd be happy.
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2014, 08:53:23 AM »
Put it this way... I wouldn't care if a Grigg got sacked tomorrow in fact I'd be happy.

That's exactly how I feel about Houli. I'd throw a party !
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2014, 10:00:01 AM »
While both have questions marks.

Both very good vfl standard. Richmond reserves looking frightening :shh

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2014, 12:56:24 PM »
Put it this way... I wouldn't care if a Grigg got sacked tomorrow in fact I'd be happy.

That's exactly how I feel about Houli. I'd throw a party !

Houli is a good player
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2014, 02:42:03 PM »
Houli is a good player

Couldn't hold a candle to Grigga !   :cheers
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2014, 10:35:12 AM »
Ok, so there is a bit of a debate over Houli v Grigg. That's ok but until someone stands up and demands their spot in our best 22, at this stage they both stay IMO. But for how long who knows.
Now I have been thinking about my original question 'bridging the gap' and how we can achieve it. And without any of the pre season stuff being played yet, it's more based on the players we have seen, but with a bit of luck one of our new guys might be a standout in the next couple of months and push someone out.
One of the biggest questions for me is where is Lids (probably our most gifted player/athlete)  most damaging for us? Most will say midfield but IMO he can be taken out of the game to easily by someone playing a tight tag on him. In that case he either doesn't get a kick or at best he is serviceable. We need better than that from all our mids if we are to 'bridge the gap' on the top four. And most coaches have realized this now or will pretty quickly in 2014. So what I would do with him is play him across halfback and move Houli to a wing. Lids won't get beaten it the air down back, can rebound as good as anyone in the game and just shores up our backline. A backline of

Morris  Chaplin  Grimes
Lids  Rance  Vlastuin

is pretty bloody solid! You have people who first and foremost can defend the footy, the cool heads of Chaplin and Vlastuin, the desperation of Morris and Grimes, and the rebound of Lids, Rance, Grimes and Vlastuin. As a group IMO they can be the best back 6 in the game.

Now what moving Lids to our backline does, other than shoring it up, is give us a chance to play/develop someone else through the midfield. Whether it be one of the new guys Gordon or Miles,(if they earn it in the pre season) or someone like Conca, Ellis, Houli, Vlastuin, Helbig, or Arnot to play more time in their. A Conca not being tagged in the middle would be just as damaging as a Lids being tagged in their. But with the bonus of Lids somewhere else.

Now all those mentioned have been at the club a while now and if they are to develop properly into genuine midfielders then they need a good go at it. Not just pinch hitting in there from time to time.

Someone like Helbig who we have tried as a halfback flanker with not much success could just be a genuine mid. Imagine trying to play Dane Swan across halfback, it just would work, he is a genuine mid and just needs to play there. Now I'm not saying Helbig is the man but sometimes a player like that cannot play (really well) anywhere else other than where they have played all their lives. And IMO Houli could be another one in the same boat??

Remember not every midfielder needs to be a tough, Trent Cotchin ball winning machine, some of the best midfielders of all time have been outsiders that just receive the footy out and deliver it down someone's throat.

Thoughts??

Now our forwardline is a different storey, but I'll talk about them another time, this post is starting to resemble one of Claws....  :lol

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2014, 10:42:02 AM »
Definitely has merit BT, Lids was a tad disappointing this season by his standards. If he hasn't cracked it as a bonafide top class mid who can break a tag by now, he probably wont. Agree he's played his best and most consistent footy down back and funnily enough I think Helbig (if he's going to make it) will do it as an inside mid, doesn't have the footskills to play off HB imo, so give him and Arnott as well as Gordon and Miles a chance to rotate through there, who knows we may just unearth a hidden gem.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2014, 12:04:27 PM »
Hawthorn won the flag originally with hodge as a back pocket. Almost inventing a new position quarterback. Deledio has both the toughness and skills for this. Not a terrible idea. Tactical wise, the way the game is moving back line is almost the new midfield. With most attacks starting from this line

I still like deledio in the forward line. But I can see the theory of tanking the back line before building further up then ground.
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2014, 01:05:48 PM »
Houli has deficiencies, like most players, but I reckon he is a solid player and would get a gig at most clubs. Grigga is an average player who will hopefully be relegated to the twos soon.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2014, 04:42:02 PM »
Houli has deficiencies, like most players, but I reckon he is a solid player and would get a gig at most clubs. Grigga is an average player who will hopefully be relegated to the twos soon.
Grigg has one big major asset and that is his ability to gut run and find space to be the "out" option. We need him performing that role, pure and simple.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2014, 05:33:31 PM »
for all his deficiencies Griggs spread is very good. As is he running forward of the contest. 

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2014, 09:07:24 PM »
The terms gut run and grigg seem anathema to each other...I reckon you could fire an intercontinental ballistic missile up griggys keester and he wouldn't gut run...just an opinion mind you

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2014, 09:22:03 PM »
Not gut running and certainly not running the other way to defend when required. Cotchin is probably only guy who does this like swans benchmark

But, running forward to get on to a kick over the top / spread is one of Briggs few positive attributes