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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2014, 04:54:35 PM »
amen to that!
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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2014, 06:24:56 PM »
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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2014, 08:20:55 PM »
The only other new rule I'd like to see is an indefinate moratorium on stuffing rule changes.


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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2014, 11:06:36 AM »
The only other new rule I'd like to see is an indefinate moratorium on stuffing rule changes.


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Yes WP, but it's precisely this kind of attitude that ensures that we'll rock up to the Docklands to play North once again this year, and Brad Snott will park 18 players in our forward line all day long and make it impossible to score.

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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2014, 11:15:06 AM »
Why don't we play 18 defenders/ norf rugby. , too

Not much more ugly than the hard wick 'kick to the forward pocket and win a throw in' philosophy

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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2014, 11:33:24 AM »
The only other new rule I'd like to see is an indefinate moratorium on stuffing rule changes.


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Yes WP, but it's precisely this kind of attitude that ensures that we'll rock up to the Docklands to play North once again this year, and Brad Snott will park 18 players in our forward line all day long and make it impossible to score.

can't have been that effective as a tactic, norf didn't even make the finals.
the side that scored the most during the season went on to win the premiership, while north had more points against than any team in the final 8.

this endless tinkering with the rules just to force the game into some individual's, or group of individuals', vision of how the game should be is a scourge
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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2014, 11:38:17 AM »
It is effective

 Norf can and have beat everyone

If they were 10% more fit they d have won the flag by miles

The fad outs are not a coincidence. It must be a ver taxing way of playing

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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2014, 11:42:02 AM »
The only other new rule I'd like to see is an indefinate moratorium on stuffing rule changes.


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Yes WP, but it's precisely this kind of attitude that ensures that we'll rock up to the Docklands to play North once again this year, and Brad Snott will park 18 players in our forward line all day long and make it impossible to score.

Disagree. Because we have seen the AFL change the rules and Coaches find a way to expoilt it or change their tatics to gain an advantage. That's what happens and it will continue to happen

The sub rule is a perfect example. They got rid of 4 interchange players to try and slow the game down and replaced it with 3 Interchange and a Sub. But it then created another problem and that was this idea that there's too many rotations. So what do they do for 2014? They cap the number of rotations. And once clubs work out a way to exploit it to thier advantage what will the AFL do? They'll implement another change or course.

IMV if they were to impose a moratorium on rules changes for say 2 season alot of these  supposed "issues" with the game would sort themselves out. It's worked in the past. And if they don't then, yes they should do something but making wholesale changes year after year because they jumped at nother shadow and panicked isn't the way to do it

And just on the N0rt game in 2013, don't lose sight of the fact that despite the game plan the opposition implemented on the day our team played insipid football. N0rt had little trouble scoring despite having everyone going back. The bottled up the our fwd 50 but when they got the thing they spread and cleared the ball easily because we applied very little or no pressure. Lack of pressure on the opposition when we don't have the ball has absolutely nothing to do with N0rt having 18 people in our forward line.
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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2014, 11:48:10 AM »
Wp

Its very hard to apply pressure

 When you lose the ball on the HFF

And 18 blokes run the other way simultaneously

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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2014, 12:04:19 PM »
Wp

Its very hard to apply pressure

 When you lose the ball on the HFF

And 18 blokes run the other way simultaneously

Perhaps/maybe = debatable

Because one's cause isn't helped when the opposition take off with the ball and your players refuse to chase after them, let alone put any defensive pressure at the stoppage/contest. That was the N0rt game




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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2014, 12:11:29 PM »
It is effective

 Norf can and have beat everyone

If they were 10% more fit they d have won the flag by miles

The fad outs are not a coincidence. It must be a ver taxing way of playing

it is a very taxing way of playing. It took malthouse 4 years or so to get his players toa stage where they could implement his "legionaries box formation" game plan, and then it was not substainable.

Nor will you get another 10% increase in fitness from AFL footballers, and no matter how good  or effective a game plan may be in theory, if the players cannot physically implement it week in week out for 25 weeks, it is not effective.
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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2014, 12:31:34 PM »
Is Ross Lyon football effective?

 In would of said yes

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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2014, 12:39:40 PM »
ross lyon football 0-4 in grand finals

just sayin

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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2014, 12:42:48 PM »
Is Ross Lyon football effective?

 In would of said yes
not as effective as clarkeson's, one would say.

ross lyon's is a rolling zone, more akin to what malthouse had going at collingwood.

What north employed against us in the day in question was more like an 18 man flood at times, they were squeezed into a smaller zone, further up the ground, which is even more taxing in the long term.
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Re: Leigh Matthews wants forwards/backs inside 50m arcs at all stoppages (Age)
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2014, 12:48:43 PM »
R Lyon four grand finals

Just sayin'