Forward Structure

[the claw]

i reckon selective running and pace makes both grigg and edwards liabilities when it comes to the sling shot. throw ineffective tackles or in griggs case non existent tackles.  no matter how hard they run when they think they can get a kick it doesnt make up for the rest.

[Stripes]

i reckon selective running and pace makes both grigg and edwards liabilities when it comes to the sling shot. throw ineffective tackles or in griggs case non existent tackles.  no matter how hard they run when they think they can get a kick it doesnt make up for the rest.

Their run and ability to find space to allow us to switch play and find an outside runner is crucial. As much as you may detest other elements of their game Grigg, Ellis and Houli's role is to find that space. Without it we lose our ball movement and delivery into the F50. It's what GC did to us.

[Judge Roughneck]

In your words Maric is not a kpp forward

And yet Hampson is?

reckon we need to sort out the second kpf spot. going by the off season  our reserves game last week and forward needs  the sort of thing id like to see happen.
fb/  morris - chaplin - astbury.   the talls are suspect imo but there isnt really any other options. reckon conca needs the play in front of him.
hb/ conca - rance - vlastuin
 
c/  houli - martin - deledio. imo a soft and very outside centre line. these blokes just have to start winning some contested ball and have a defensive impact.

hf/ knights - griffiths - king.     some will say its too tall i say rubbish. i have always believed a edwards should be played as a strong marking medium sized player. griffiths and riewoldt stay at home and hampson shares the ruck load with orren. king will at least add some defensive pressure and knights can kick a goal and has a bit of polish.
ff/ hampson  - riewoldt - a edwards.

ruck/ stephenson - jackson - cotchin. reckon the big o can at least compete in the ruck. never thought id say it in my lifetime but jackson adds some needed competetivness. cotchin must be praying some other mids will step up and win some contested ball.

int/  thomas - ellis - foley -  sub gordon or failing that, s edwards / mcdonough/ lloyd. reckon ellis foley thomas and gordon give a good mix of midfield rotations. foley and ellis really need to step up. gordon is one who can play forward and is a good size.
shame miles is not on the list proper would play him in a heartbeat.

outs would be
vickery,s edwards, grigg, mcdonough,newman, petterd,
ins
stephenson, gordon, jackson, knights,king, a edwards.
we all know 6 changes wont happen but i sure as hell hope we do it. dimma needs to send a very loud message early that performances like that are not acceptable and the players will be held accountable.

[tigs2011]

i reckon selective running and pace makes both grigg and edwards liabilities when it comes to the sling shot. throw ineffective tackles or in griggs case non existent tackles.  no matter how hard they run when they think they can get a kick it doesnt make up for the rest.

Personally reckon it's unfair to lump Edwards in with Grigg in this regard. In fact, it's probably unfair to lump any AFL player or any poster on here in the lazy category with Grigg.

[Judge Roughneck]

Talls options:

McBean
Vickery
Griffiths
Mckenzie
Maric
Riewoldt
Elton

Small/mid:

Deledio
Martin
Cotchin
Shane Edwards
Lloyd
Gordon
Lennon
Hunt
Ellis
Ellis
Conca

Etc

[Judge Roughneck]

reckon we need to sort out the second kpf spot. going by the off season  our reserves game last week and forward needs  the sort of thing id like to see happen.
fb/  morris - chaplin - astbury.   the talls are suspect imo but there isnt really any other options. reckon conca needs the play in front of him.
hb/ conca - rance - vlastuin
 
c/  houli - martin - deledio. imo a soft and very outside centre line. these blokes just have to start winning some contested ball and have a defensive impact.

hf/ knights - griffiths - king.     some will say its too tall i say rubbish. i have always believed a edwards should be played as a strong marking medium sized player. griffiths and riewoldt stay at home and hampson shares the ruck load with orren. king will at least add some defensive pressure and knights can kick a goal and has a bit of polish.
ff/ hampson  - riewoldt - a edwards.

ruck/ stephenson - jackson - cotchin. reckon the big o can at least compete in the ruck. never thought id say it in my lifetime but jackson adds some needed competetivness. cotchin must be praying some other mids will step up and win some contested ball.

int/  thomas - ellis - foley -  sub gordon or failing that, s edwards / mcdonough/ lloyd. reckon ellis foley thomas and gordon give a good mix of midfield rotations. foley and ellis really need to step up. gordon is one who can play forward and is a good size.
shame miles is not on the list proper would play him in a heartbeat.

outs would be
vickery,s edwards, grigg, mcdonough,newman, petterd,
ins
stephenson, gordon, jackson, knights,king, a edwards.
we all know 6 changes wont happen but i sure as hell hope we do it. dimma needs to send a very loud message early that performances like that are not acceptable and the players will be held accountable.

Ory

2 of those 3 KPFs 200cm ...

[the claw]

reckon we need to sort out the second kpf spot. going by the off season  our reserves game last week and forward needs  the sort of thing id like to see happen.
fb/  morris - chaplin - astbury.   the talls are suspect imo but there isnt really any other options. reckon conca needs the play in front of him.
hb/ conca - rance - vlastuin
 
c/  houli - martin - deledio. imo a soft and very outside centre line. these blokes just have to start winning some contested ball and have a defensive impact.

hf/ knights - griffiths - king.     some will say its too tall i say rubbish. i have always believed a edwards should be played as a strong marking medium sized player. griffiths and riewoldt stay at home and hampson shares the ruck load with orren. king will at least add some defensive pressure and knights can kick a goal and has a bit of polish.
ff/ hampson  - riewoldt - a edwards.

ruck/ stephenson - jackson - cotchin. reckon the big o can at least compete in the ruck. never thought id say it in my lifetime but jackson adds some needed competetivness. cotchin must be praying some other mids will step up and win some contested ball.

int/  thomas - ellis - foley -  sub gordon or failing that, s edwards / mcdonough/ lloyd. reckon ellis foley thomas and gordon give a good mix of midfield rotations. foley and ellis really need to step up. gordon is one who can play forward and is a good size.
shame miles is not on the list proper would play him in a heartbeat.

outs would be
vickery,s edwards, grigg, mcdonough,newman, petterd,
ins
stephenson, gordon, jackson, knights,king, a edwards.
we all know 6 changes wont happen but i sure as hell hope we do it. dimma needs to send a very loud message early that performances like that are not acceptable and the players will be held accountable.

Ory

2 of those 3 KPFs 200cm ...

so in march this yr just before the season opener we had how many tall fwds under 200cm. whats that i hear you say, just one. my god how threakin thick are you sometimes.
by the way you gunna grow some balls and give me that list

[Judge Roughneck]

reckon we need to sort out the second kpf spot. going by the off season  our reserves game last week and forward needs  the sort of thing id like to see happen.
fb/  morris - chaplin - astbury.   the talls are suspect imo but there isnt really any other options. reckon conca needs the play in front of him.
hb/ conca - rance - vlastuin
 
c/  houli - martin - deledio. imo a soft and very outside centre line. these blokes just have to start winning some contested ball and have a defensive impact.

hf/ knights - griffiths - king.     some will say its too tall i say rubbish. i have always believed a edwards should be played as a strong marking medium sized player. griffiths and riewoldt stay at home and hampson shares the ruck load with orren. king will at least add some defensive pressure and knights can kick a goal and has a bit of polish.
ff/ hampson  - riewoldt - a edwards.

ruck/ stephenson - jackson - cotchin. reckon the big o can at least compete in the ruck. never thought id say it in my lifetime but jackson adds some needed competetivness. cotchin must be praying some other mids will step up and win some contested ball.

int/  thomas - ellis - foley -  sub gordon or failing that, s edwards / mcdonough/ lloyd. reckon ellis foley thomas and gordon give a good mix of midfield rotations. foley and ellis really need to step up. gordon is one who can play forward and is a good size.
shame miles is not on the list proper would play him in a heartbeat.

outs would be
vickery,s edwards, grigg, mcdonough,newman, petterd,
ins
stephenson, gordon, jackson, knights,king, a edwards.
we all know 6 changes wont happen but i sure as hell hope we do it. dimma needs to send a very loud message early that performances like that are not acceptable and the players will be held accountable.

Ory

2 of those 3 KPFs 200cm ...

so in march this yr just before the season opener we had how many tall fwds under 200cm. whats that i hear you say, just one. my god how threakin thick are you sometimes.

are you implying griffiths and vickery wont be able to work in the same 22?

or two of the combination of: McKenzie, griffiths and vickery. assuming mckenzie  grows 4 cm

by the way you gunna grow some balls and give me that list

hows this for a list

if mcbean gets and game, and mckenzie grows four cms. they will be the 19/20 200cm in the history of the club 

[Owl]

I say we just load the whole forward half with everyone over 195cm, one of the bastards has to take a mark right?

[Judge Roughneck]

I say we just load the whole forward half with everyone over 195cm, one of the bastards has to take a mark right?

Id like to play deledio Martin  Cotchin.  forward

 

In the past we have not had the midfield depth

[JP Tiger]

I say we just load the whole forward half with everyone over 195cm, one of the bastards has to take a mark right?

Id like to play deledio Martin  Cotchin.  forward

 

In the past we have not had the midfield depth

Correct!  We haven't had the depth to rotate our better players into our forward line often enough, hopefully Ellis can come in & release one of them.  Deledio playing CHF was our best & most versatile option by a long way, his unique set of talents make him a gun key forward.  We all know how good Dusty is one out near goal, just ask Teddy Richards!  Cotch is a very good small forward too, great user & sharer of the pill.  We can't release all three at once, but we can set up more rotations.  Miles, Dusty & Ellis as a starting combo, then rotate like crazy!       

[Judge Roughneck]

deledio is unplayable @ chf

would crap on big guy on the lead and the ground and little guys in the air

if you left him there 90% of the game (will never happen, crap ourslf and put him back pocket when the opposition gets a run on) he win the coleman

[Chuck17]

Cotch is a very good small forward too, great user & sharer of the pill. 

Really I must have been reading another forum on here this year then

[JP Tiger]

Cotch is a very good small forward too, great user & sharer of the pill. 

Really I must have been reading another forum on here this year then

Goal Assists for 2014
Jack    18
Dusty  18
Sheds  16
Cotch   13
Lids     12
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Miles     2

To add some perspective - Ablett 19.  League high - Robbie Gray 33  C/o AFL site.

I have no idea what you have been reading or why ...
 
13 goal assists by Cotch isn't poor (Ablett on 19) & it shows his ability to share it & create goals for others is at least reasonable for a midfielder.  More time up forward would give him more chances to impact the scoreboard himself or to set up others.  I'd really like to see Cotch given a shot at the famed 'defensive small forward' role more often - providing we have the depth to cover him in the middle!       

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