Recruiting

[tigs2011]

I bet you were all on your knees for Hartley last year. Maybe not WP but the rest of you. He was damn near about to be knighted by most Tiger fans.

He did a decent job at first. Got well and truly carried away.

[Mr Magic]

if Hartley has made one glaring mistake it's not bringing enough genuine speed into the club, coupled with letting White go.

He's patched us up pretty cheaply given the compromised drafts over the past 4-5 years as the franchise clubs picked the eyeballs out of the talent whilst we were left to gnaw over the carcass.

Thank the AFL for that.

A lot point to Port but they bottomed out and got a couple of high draft picks bang on in Wines and Wingard who have made an immediate impact on their fortunes. Meanwhile we finished middle of the pack and picked up Ellis & Vlastuin.
Two solid foot soldiers but not bonafide guns.

If he is to stick around, Hartley has the need for speed. In saying that it may well be time for a fresh set of eyes in that role.
The time for moneyball is over. Time to focus on the draft and 'free' agency.

[WilliamPowell]

I know exactly how accurate I am with that comment. That's the concerning thing. 

And I too know how accurate you are with it and agree that's the concerning thing

[dwaino]

Injured/resting key players, others out of position.  Obviously tanking woah 

[tigs2011]

I know exactly how accurate I am with that comment. That's the concerning thing. 

And I too know how accurate you are with it and agree that's the concerning thing

[Diocletian]

I bet you were all on your knees for Hartley last year. Maybe not WP but the rest of you. He was damn near about to be knighted by most Tiger fans.

There's certainly one or two usernames here I recognise from a certain other board that were among the most vocal of the lynch mob that ran poor old claw of said board for daring to express doubts about the Blair & FJ "dreamteam". 

[tigs2011]

I bet you were all on your knees for Hartley last year. Maybe not WP but the rest of you. He was damn near about to be knighted by most Tiger fans.

There's certainly one or two usernames here I recognise from a certain other board that were among the most vocal of the lynch mob that ran poor old claw of said board for daring to express doubts about the Blair & FJ "dreamteam".

I'm sure this is directed at me. They were doing their job at first. Not sure how the current situation came about. FJ needs to grow a pair and tell Blair to stuff off. Dimma's ideas of what types of player he wants are stupid as well.

[Francois Jackson]

FJ is the problem.

I cant see how you can turn over management and still have this hack on the payroll.



he learnt off Miller FFS. That should have been enough to show him the door.

[tigs2011]

FJ is the problem.

I cant see how you can turn over management and still have this hack on the payroll.

FJ's record (since he got some help) would look a lot better if the players he picked were given a chance.

All recruiters have stuff ups.

2009 is looking pretty good. Martin, Griffiths, Astbury. Add Grimes to that because not sure you can blame FJ for his injuries. Dea is better than Morris too if given the same chances. That year he was forced to go tall after the first pick due to the Wallace years of wanting skinny flankers.

2010 is a disgrace. I don't even care about the Conca v Heppell thing. Conca is still a solid player. Batch over Parker was always and will always be a mistake. Parker would be our captain by now.

2011 with Ellis and Elton is fine. Elton will take time. Arnot is looking solid though should have played earlier. Darrou is talented off the rookie list.

2012 we should end up with 3 x 200 gamers possibly 4. (Though I don't trust our development of a project like McIntosh)

2013 has Lennon who will be better than a lot above him. Gordon and Lloyd were perfect for what we need and are showing a bit in a poo team. I was ok with trading our 2nd pick for a back-up ruck in a crap draft until one of my favorites went at that exact pick. 

There are some issues going on in this regard though and FJ needs to stand up for himself and tell Blair that these kids are better than the duds we are picking.

FJ had finally worked out the types to recruit as rookie picks. KPD's/Rucks/Small forwards and then some moron decides that we should pick up the offcuts of bottom teams. He didn't rate Banfield or Thomas or Hampson for that matter. But every new player gets lumped in as his fault.

Dimma needs to get over his penchant for slow, tough players and hatred of players with flair and speed. Maybe FJ should just pick them anyway but then we all know they'd just rot in the 2's because Dimma would play Petterd or Grigg over them.

I will add he also needs to get over himself and bring some more sets of eyes in. Isn't that what we pay the FTF for?

[Rampstar]

I bet you were all on your knees for Hartley last year. Maybe not WP but the rest of you. He was damn near about to be knighted by most Tiger fans.

I was being attacked the last 2 years by Hartley fans because I never rated Grigg or Houli or most of the players he has brought to the club. The people singing his praises are the apologists who believe anything the club tells them.

HARTLEY - OUT!

[tigs2011]

I bet you were all on your knees for Hartley last year. Maybe not WP but the rest of you. He was damn near about to be knighted by most Tiger fans.

I was being attacked the last 2 years by Hartley fans because I never rated Grigg or Houli or most of the playershe has brought to the club. The people singing his praises are the apologists who believe anything the club tells them.

HARTLEY - OUT!

Houli and Grigg were upgrades on what we had. Likewise Maric and we gave up peanuts for them. We have had 2 problems since.

1. Hartley seems to do what he wants and makes trades to justify his job.

2. We decided Houli and Grigg were good enough for the ultimate and didn't bother trying to upgrade them. We upgraded from the McMuffins to the Grigg's and now it's time to upgrade to an actual B-grade role player.

The other one was Hampson. Dimma doesn't believe in developing our own rucks. (maybe we can't?) Funny thing is he's not alone meaning young rucks can be got for value picks. Darcy Cameron should have been drafted last year. We should have developed one years ago so that we didn't need to get Hampson. We left ourselves in a position that we were absolutely desperate to get one.

[Diocletian]

We downgraded from the McMuffins to the Grigg's

Fixed.

[Rampstar]

Any person at Richmond who seriously believed that recruiting Grigg & co would take Richmond to a Premiership has no place at our club IMHO. Seriously our club is a mess, the whole philosophy of the joint is up the creek. We are a powerhouse club with fantastic facilities and no debt and instead of going out and getting A graders in we go for Monkeyball and recruiting rejects from other clubs its just a sick joke on behalf of the club against the members and supporters of the club who put in their hard earned every year to pay for the salaries of the administrators and players its a stuffen joke.

[tigs2011]

We downgraded from the McMuffins to the Grigg's

Fixed.

that's what happens when you gift guys a game with no fear of being dropped. They go from being an upgrade to a downgrade. We literally have not recruited one wingman over the years (excluding Ellis who plays on the other wing) to replace him or at least put pressure on him. He's a fairy. 

[tigs2011]

Any person at Richmond who seriously believed that recruiting Grigg & co would take Richmond to a Premiership has no place at our club IMHO. Seriously our club is a mess, the whole philosophy of the joint is up the creek. We are a powerhouse club with fantastic facilities and no debt and instead of going out and getting A graders in we go for Monkeyball and recruiting rejects from other clubs its just a sick joke on behalf of the club against the members and supporters of the club who put in their hard earned every year to pay for the salaries of the administrators and players its a stuffen joke.