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Offline Judge Roughneck

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2014, 06:11:01 PM »
What do you mean

Maths is fact not opinion

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2014, 06:22:17 PM »
What do you mean

Maths is fact not opinion
I mean that averages are done in a way that people want to present information in a way that gets their idea across in the way they want it to.

We do not field a side that has superior game experience, it's about 400 games short of it.

I wrote about this in a post on the previous page, which was about why using averages doesn't always work well.
Straight up numbers work better.

For example..
On averages Tony Lockett kicked 6.4 goals per match (can't remember the exact number) for his career.
My point, how can you kick point four of a goal?

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2014, 08:08:04 PM »
geez we have done this to death.
last yrs elimination final side had an average age of
25yrs/112 days.
it averaged
104 games per player.
it contained
11 who had played more than 100 games.
7 who had played between 50 and 99 games
2 had played less than 40 games and one of them grimes was a 22 yr old.

the side contained
3 juniors 18-21
8 development 22 - 24
11 mature + vets 25yrs plus.

i argued last yr we had no need to top up with so many mature players  as there was at last no age or experience gaps to fix. sure we could do with some more experience as long as its good quality.
the only player missing from that e/f side is tuck. every other player is now 7 months older

when you look at both gf sides from last yr they both averaged 26yrs plus.
hawks ave 139 games per player
freo ave 115 per player.
this suggests to me that we are in the right brackets as far as age and experience of our top 25 or so players go to be in the 8 or even top 4. this was the case last yr.

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2014, 08:20:14 PM »
Almost all their best players and match winners are nearing the end of their careers. Ours aren't.

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2014, 08:24:51 PM »
Do we have any match winners? Not being a smartarse, legit question. I think we have 3 or 4 who are capable of being match winners without actually proving it. Bc when the going gets tough I honestly don't feel or expect a certain player to stand up and win the game for us.

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2014, 09:15:43 PM »
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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2014, 09:26:01 PM »
Almost all their best players and match winners are nearing the end of their careers. Ours aren't.
not sure about that. i think clubs like sydney,hawthorn, geelong even collingwood have been very good at succesion planning.
anyway the question to be asked is do we have the quality and depth id say no and i think most would agree with me. this is one reason why we should have still been in development mode.

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2014, 10:13:41 PM »
Almost all their best players and match winners are nearing the end of their careers. Ours aren't.
not sure about that. i think clubs like sydney,hawthorn, geelong even collingwood have been very good at succesion planning.
anyway the question to be asked is do we have the quality and depth id say no and i think most would agree with me. this is one reason why we should have still been in development mode.

Most of the better sides are always in development mode - they never dip down the ladder far but keep recruiting and trading in players to improve their list. Collingwood are a prime example. We are not as advanced as they are at this stage but we are now on the path. This will be made easier over the next couple of uncompromised drafts.

Todays game was turned by players like Bartel, Johnson, Taylor, Kelly, Longergan and McIntosh. The first three in particular were the biggest difference in the game along with Selwood. The same players were the difference in the last close game we played and narrowly lost against them.

We still need to continue to develop our side and inject more talent into it to join these other teams but in a few years I believe we will get there. I'm excited by the development of some out younger players who could not get a game last year such as Griffiths and Astbury the the inclusion of players like Miles and Lloyd. If we continue to create competition for spots and force the rapid development of players like Lennon, McBean, McIntosh and Dea we are well on the way.

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2014, 11:15:05 PM »
Good teams can sell good mature players for high draft picks. The bastards cheat!

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2014, 07:52:33 AM »
Do we have any match winners? Not being a smartarse, legit question. I think we have 3 or 4 who are capable of being match winners without actually proving it. Bc when the going gets tough I honestly don't feel or expect a certain player to stand up and win the game for us.

Our match winners have their work cut out making this side competitive carrying the squibs

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2014, 10:33:59 AM »
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2014, 10:37:33 AM »
rather alarming given the average age of the side is 25 sitting 13th

rebuilding? topping up? whats the plan jane

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2014, 02:22:45 PM »
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Thanks for the clarification. The figures I quoted are based on the overall playing lists.

It shows that Geelong have more young players in the system. Quite alot in fact given a number of older players reaching the eve of their careers.

Irrespective, as Judge Roughneck stated 25 as an average age is old for a team on 2 wins and 5 losses.

What is the list management plan from 2014 onwards and at which point to we go to plan b (if there is a plan b)?
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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2014, 02:32:41 PM »
Good teams can sell good mature players for high draft picks. The bastards cheat!

Every club does, can tell you Richmond has done alot of under the rug stuff  ;D

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Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2014, 05:53:21 PM »
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softcock Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up! 
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