Trade week rumours and innuendo

[Phil Mrakov]

Who doesn't Melbourne target ?

[Chuck17]

Hawks traded out their 21 year old superstar in Trent Croad. Was the next 'Dunstall'. Got pick 1 and 30 odd. Turned into Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell if anyone read the article recently. Genius.

We would have overlooked them and picked two duds instead

[tony_montana]

Take a risk Richmond.

Throw up all players for trade. I'd trade anyone if we won out of the deal. Apart from our Captain.

Ask Freo what they would give up for Jack Riewoldt. A pair of Stephen Hill, Lachie Neale, Michael Walters and Michael Barlow would be nice.

Ask WA what they would want for Gaff. Conca and what?

Deledio is getting older. Would fit nicely at Hawthorn with an aging midfield. First round pick and one of Luke Breust, Matt Suckling, Gunston would do.

Just get active. The list is mid table. Take a risk, GC and GWS will go past us if we hope on natural development and moneyball type pick ups. Our youth can't compete with them. Sooner or Later their youth will be prime and we will be stuffed.

We need a small forward and better options off half back. We need pace. Wow do we need pace. Look at Port vs Hawks, they smashed them in the last with their pace. We need some desperately or we will fall behind. Get active, aggressive and take a risk.

Hawks traded out their 21 year old superstar in Trent Croad. Was the next 'Dunstall'. Got pick 1 and 30 odd. Turned into Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell if anyone read the article recently. Genius.

agree we need to be bold and take a risk to improve exponentially now, we've reached a certain base, now if we're serious we must be willing to make hard calls to take the next step

[big tone]

On Garlett, he had an awful year no doubt, but surely that doesn't undo all his good work previously??

I'd take Garlett for a 3rd rounder or 3rd rounder and a fringe player
 

I'm starting to loose all hope that Benny Gale was the man to turn this club around on field. He seems to be as soft as every other pretender before him. No balls! No thinking outside the box. Just safe, easy calls on our players and coaching staff.

Sorry if I've misunderstood but Benny has nothing to do with list management, even he will tell you that (nor should he TBH). But agree re the footy department staff side of things, that's something he has does have a say in

Agree on Garlett's worth. Our 3rd rounder would be about right IMO. Hopefully we could off load a couple of ours for 3rd rounders so we still had a pick or 2 in that round.

On Benny I do think he has a say in all matters in the club including list management. He is an ex footballer with a very good footy brain, of course he has some input. It would be stupid not to ask his opinion on some things and players.

[the claw]

Hawks traded out their 21 year old superstar in Trent Croad. Was the next 'Dunstall'. Got pick 1 and 30 odd. Turned into Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell if anyone read the article recently. Genius.

mcpharlin was a part of the croad trade.

mcpharlin was drafted in 99 at pick 10. croad in 97 at pick 3.
so in effect in 2001  freo recieved croad and mcpharlin  for  pick 1, 20 and 36. or in a way picks 3, 10, for 1,20 and 36.

in 2003 croad was traded back to hawthorn for pick 10

[one-eyed]

Frawley officially confirms he's leaving the Demons.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-01/frawley-quits-dees

[tiger101]

Frawley officially confirms he's leaving the Demons.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-01/frawley-quits-dees

Did anyone expect him to stay.

[WilliamPowell]

On Benny I do think he has a say in all matters in the club including list management. He is an ex footballer with a very good footy brain, of course he has some input. It would be stupid not to ask his opinion on some things and players.

He has said many times publicly (in the media) and functions that he doesn't have any input in list management as it isn't his area of expertise. So based on that I've always taken him on face value.

[big tone]

On Benny I do think he has a say in all matters in the club including list management. He is an ex footballer with a very good footy brain, of course he has some input. It would be stupid not to ask his opinion on some things and players.

He has said many times publicly (in the media) and functions that he doesn't have any input in list management as it isn't his area of expertise. So based on that I've always taken him on face value.

Come on WP, a president isn't going to tell the world he sticks his nose in to other departments. For one he wouldn't need the extra pressure if things he had helped on went pair shaped, and two it's the company line. I would be horrified to think he didn't have a say with the nuffies employed at our club. I would be happy if he did FJ's job as well as his own. He couldn't do any worse. 

[WilliamPowell]

On Benny I do think he has a say in all matters in the club including list management. He is an ex footballer with a very good footy brain, of course he has some input. It would be stupid not to ask his opinion on some things and players.

He has said many times publicly (in the media) and functions that he doesn't have any input in list management as it isn't his area of expertise. So based on that I've always taken him on face value.

Come on WP, a president isn't going to tell the world he sticks his nose in to other departments. For one he wouldn't need the extra pressure if things he had helped on went pair shaped, and two it's the company line. I would be horrified to think he didn't have a say with the nuffies employed at our club. I would be happy if he did FJ's job as well as his own. He couldn't do any worse. 

But he isn't the president   

I would be disappointed if he did have say as CEO, not his job to manage the list, his job is to run the business

[big tone]

On Benny I do think he has a say in all matters in the club including list management. He is an ex footballer with a very good footy brain, of course he has some input. It would be stupid not to ask his opinion on some things and players.

He has said many times publicly (in the media) and functions that he doesn't have any input in list management as it isn't his area of expertise. So based on that I've always taken him on face value.

Come on WP, a president isn't going to tell the world he sticks his nose in to other departments. For one he wouldn't need the extra pressure if things he had helped on went pair shaped, and two it's the company line. I would be horrified to think he didn't have a say with the nuffies employed at our club. I would be happy if he did FJ's job as well as his own. He couldn't do any worse. 

But he isn't the president   

I would be disappointed if he did have say as CEO, not his job to manage the list, his job is to run the business

Is list management not part of the business?
If the list manager was not doing the right thing by the club, would it be his job to do something about it?
Just because something is not your direct job, as a president or CEO it is your job to fix the problem. Otherwise the "business" would suffer.
Don't believe everything you hear WP. Some people tell lies. 

[Penelope]

you are correct in part. but i never heard of a ceo or president doing the work of those below him in the food chain if they think are under performing.

they normally just replace them.

[TigerLand]

Hawks traded out their 21 year old superstar in Trent Croad. Was the next 'Dunstall'. Got pick 1 and 30 odd. Turned into Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell if anyone read the article recently. Genius.

mcpharlin was a part of the croad trade.

mcpharlin was drafted in 99 at pick 10. croad in 97 at pick 3.
so in effect in 2001  freo recieved croad and mcpharlin  for  pick 1, 20 and 36. or in a way picks 3, 10, for 1,20 and 36.

in 2003 croad was traded back to hawthorn for pick 10

Hawks then went on to win 3 flags.

Who was the last club to win a flag by playing it safe?

#rollthedice

[one-eyed]

The Age reporting a possible 3-way trade between Carlton, Hawthorn and GWS involving Jaksch and O'Rourke.

Carlton give up pick 6 in return for both Jaksch & pick 18.

Hawthorn give up pick 18 for O'Rourke.

GWS gain pick 6 for losing Jaksch & O'Rourke.


Jaksch is away for the next week deciding whether he wants to go to Carlton or St Kilda.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/it8217s-finally-official-frawley-to-leave-the-demons-20141001-10ovf4.html

[WilliamPowell]

Is list management not part of the business?
If the list manager was not doing the right thing by the club, would it be his job to do something about it?
Just because something is not your direct job, as a president or CEO it is your job to fix the problem. Otherwise the "business" would suffer.
Don't believe everything you hear WP. Some people tell lies. 

You are correct list management is part of the business, an area of the business within a department. The CEO doesn't run the footy department the head of football does which is Richardson.

Al sums it up well

you are correct in part. but i never heard of a ceo or president doing the work of those below him in the food chain if they think are under performing.

they normally just replace them.

And I am on record as saying that while Benny is CEO and supports Dimma unconditionally the entire footy dept is safe. Board backs Benny

That's the set up at the Tigers