The put your balls on the line thread. Name those who wont make it.

[the claw]

im hoping posters can give good reasons why they think players wont make. have the balls to give reasons why its too easy to just say dud delist.
i will start the ball rolling

Tyrone Vickery
lacks courage,  is poor in the air imo. remains lazy and only plays the game on his terms.  goes missing for far too long in games and is definately an in betweener.
neither a very good ruckman or very good kpf.  or in other words not quite good enough to hold down a kp or good enough to hiold down 1st ruck.i say this  based on nearly 100 games and 6 yrs with same things smacking you in the face yr after yr.

[tdy]

Shaun Hampson.   He is an ok tap ruck but so utterly hopeless around the ground. Marking kicking mobility that he is a liability.  Even when he does get the ball he inevitably uses it badly.   Dud but until we have other options you keep as backup we will keep him.  I see him spending 2 years in the seconds until delisting.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Shaun Hampson.   He is an ok tap ruck but so utterly hopeless around the ground. Marking kicking mobility that he is a liability.  Even when he does get the ball he inevitably uses it badly.   Dud but until we have other options you keep as backup we will keep him.  I see him spending 2 years in the seconds until delisting.

Agree.  Hampson. Can tap the ball but thinks about Megan far too much to have any other impact in a game.

[big tone]

im hoping posters can give good reasons why they think players wont make. have the balls to give reasons why its too easy to just say dud delist.
i will start the ball rolling

Tyrone Vickery
lacks courage,  is poor in the air imo. remains lazy and only plays the game on his terms.  goes missing for far too long in games and is definately an in betweener.
neither a very good ruckman or very good kpf.  or in other words not quite good enough to hold down a kp or good enough to hiold down 1st ruck.i say this  based on nearly 100 games and 6 yrs with same things smacking you in the face yr after yr.

Define won't make it? Vickory has play 87 games. And will play another 87.
I guess your 'not making it' is different to mine.
We know you don't like him but I'm afraid if you play 150 games of AFL footy you have made it. He may not be the best player in the league but smarter football brains than you can see something in him to pick him that many times.

[big tone]

Ben Griffiths for me.
Never have I seen I bloke of this size so scared of body contact.
His lack of intensity is astounding for a player that is still trying to make a name for himself at AFL level.
He seems so mentally weak that anything that doesn't go his way, it's tent down circus over.
Sure he has some tools, which makes it worse by the way, he is big, can kick it a country mile and can take an ok mark on a lead but having them and not having any mental toughness is useless.
There is a difference between being young,lazy and thinking it's just going to happen (Shultz) and Griif that is young, lazy but just doesn't have the edge it takes to play AFL..

[Judge Roughneck]

Grigg

Will only ever be a D or C grader

[tdy]

Grigg

Will only ever be a D or C grader

You could argue Grigg has made it.  He is at his level wont get any better and has played 119 games.  He wont get dumped this year. Maybe he is carrying an injury but he is pretty out of form. I assume the powers that be expect him to get it back and will give him next year to do it.  He may yet make 150 games.

[the claw]

im hoping posters can give good reasons why they think players wont make. have the balls to give reasons why its too easy to just say dud delist.
i will start the ball rolling

Tyrone Vickery
lacks courage,  is poor in the air imo. remains lazy and only plays the game on his terms.  goes missing for far too long in games and is definately an in betweener.
neither a very good ruckman or very good kpf.  or in other words not quite good enough to hold down a kp or good enough to hiold down 1st ruck.i say this  based on nearly 100 games and 6 yrs with same things smacking you in the face yr after yr.

Define won't make it? Vickory has play 87 games. And will play another 87.
I guess your 'not making it' is different to mine.
We know you don't like him but I'm afraid if you play 150 games of AFL footy you have made it. He may not be the best player in the league but smarter football brains than you can see something in him to pick him that many times.

i can see your point.  i come from the view that even though vickery has played 87 games the vast majority of em have not been up to afl standard. nothing games are exactly that nothing games.
i also am adamant he has never ever really established himself as a good consistent player. he may have played 87 games but 50 of em have been gifted.
despite his 87 games hes yet to prove himself.
but in a way your right 87 games is far more than a good percentage of people who get drafted. i suppose im placing a greater emphasis on perormance.

its interesting. i see your complaints about griffiths and agrree. yet it seems your blind to very similar complaints about vickery.

anyway if you wish im happy to cut vickery based on the games played  stat from this list.  theres  well over half a list i can put in his place.

just to finish over the last 30 yrs we have had heaps of players play 60 80 100 games  without ever truly establishing their bonafides its one reason why we dont play finals very often.we hang on and hang on and hang on which in turn shows just how wrong those with smarter footy brains than me get it.

[Judge Roughneck]

Differently levels of made it.

I'd argue we are less likely of winning the flag with him in the team than in it

Could be wrong of course



Grigg


I rate Vickery

[tdy]

Differently levels of made it.

I'd argue we are less likely of winning the flag with him in the team than in it

Could be wrong of course



Grigg


I rate Vickery

I agree Grigg is not great and if we won the flag with him in our 22 he would be player 20 to 22.  He doesnt like body contact enough for my liking. He just is what he is. We have worse in shedwards.

Fyi he got 36 possies 26 contested 19 clearances in the twos the other week against sandy.  Maybe he is gettung back into form. 

[the claw]

Differently levels of made it.

I'd argue we are less likely of winning the flag with him in the team than in it

Could be wrong of course



Grigg


I rate Vickery

I agree Grigg is not great and if we won the flag with him in our 22 he would be player 20 to 22.  He doesnt like body contact enough for my liking. He just is what he is. We have worse in shedwards.

Fyi he got 36 possies 26 contested 19 clearances in the twos the other week against sandy.  Maybe he is gettung back into form.

as much as we dislike him or more to the point the way he plays, grigg is a far far better performed player than shedwards. yet the very people who defend shedwards want to see grigg gone.
the truth is we must do better than both.

[Andyy]

Shedwards at least has an ounce of courage.

All a bloke needs to do to win the adoration of the fans is:
1. Have courage
2. Give 100%

Don't even need to be that gifted.

[WilliamPowell]

Ben Griffiths for me.
Never have I seen I bloke of this size so scared of body contact.

 I have his name was Jayden Post 

[Judge Roughneck]

Differently levels of made it.

I'd argue we are less likely of winning the flag with him in the team than in it

Could be wrong of course



Grigg


I rate Vickery

I agree Grigg is not great and if we won the flag with him in our 22 he would be player 20 to 22.  He doesnt like body contact enough for my liking. He just is what he is. We have worse in shedwards.

Fyi he got 36 possies 26 contested 19 clearances in the twos the other week against sandy.  Maybe he is gettung back into form.

I watched the first half of richmond vs port Melbourne

Before richmond got blown away in th secound half, I thought Grigg was very poor when the game was still on the line.

What concerns me most about Grigg Newman king etc. is the stunting of growth of possible potential ok players; Lennon donuts arnot etc

[Judge Roughneck]

Differently levels of made it.

I'd argue we are less likely of winning the flag with him in the team than in it

Could be wrong of course



Grigg


I rate Vickery

I agree Grigg is not great and if we won the flag with him in our 22 he would be player 20 to 22.  He doesnt like body contact enough for my liking. He just is what he is. We have worse in shedwards.

Fyi he got 36 possies 26 contested 19 clearances in the twos the other week against sandy.  Maybe he is gettung back into form.

as much as we dislike him or more to the point the way he plays, grigg is a far far better performed player than shedwards. yet the very people who defend shedwards want to see grigg gone.
the truth is we must do better than both.

Do you have some form of facts to back this up?

A few most back pocket uncontested possessions don't prove much