Generation Next

[WilliamPowell]

I also know it comes after a loss to Carlton and where the negativity was coming from. 

That might be it Moi - a loss to Carlton has to be the pits whether they're on top of the ladder or on the bottom. Although I reckon it's worse when they're on the bottom 

While the players take it one week at a time - i reckon supporters should take the opposite view, and look at a season in perspective.  If we did that and take an overall view of how a player's performed, might be a bit more objective than after a miserable loss where a scapegoat is there for the sinking the boot in. 

MAybe that's part of my problem I just don't know what to make of this season at the moment. It's all gone a bit "skewif" 

I find it hard to know where any criticism should be aimed TS, but I doubt there are many players who only do as much as they can get away with. I also think that a lot of players who are criticised were never going to reach the lofty heights that their critics expected of them rather than just hoped for. I'm not a believer of 110%, if you get 100% out of yourself then you've done your best and there isn't any more. I don't criticise because I can't judge that.

I know I've been guilty of that way of thinking.

I sometimes think we get so excited when a player early on has a great game because we've been so terrible for so long that we ultimately expect them to be superstars based on one great game (eg Marty McGarth)

[Tiger Spirit]

I didn't mean to attack you TS - just when i see a player targeted when the whole team has been down, i find it hard to fathom how one individual, especially when they've had a run of bad luck with injury, can be highlighted when, to me, the failures have been a team effort.

I also know it comes after a loss to Carlton and where the negativity was coming from. While the players take it one week at a time - i reckon supporters should take the opposite view, and look at a season in perspective. If we did that and take an overall view of how a player's performed, might be a bit more objective than after a miserable loss where a scapegoat is there for the sinking the boot in.

No harm done Moi.  Except that I feel like I’m at confession or something.   So, forgive me Moi for I have sinned…

I know where our list is at and, except for the odd game here and there, haven’t been as upset over losses this season as I have in the past, because you can’t get blood out of stone.  Apart from that, I’m the last person to blame one person when we lose and if I ever did go down that track, Cogs would be the last person I’d blame.

Some may have seen it that I was attacking Cogs, which was honestly the furthest thing from my mind.  I saw the way he played in 2002 and 2003 and saw how he was playing this season.  I put two and two together and came up with eleventy ten.  That’s all.  I hope that clears things up.

[Mopsy]

What must be appreciated by all is that Cogs this year is like Browny was last year, hit with everything but the goal post and showing the effects of the attention that he has received.

Having come off the physical and mental torment of his injury problems and the shortened pre-season forced upon him would be feeling pretty well stuffed by now.

Next year he will be a little older, a lot more developed and conditioned, and in my humble opinion he will make you all eat your words.

[Captain__Blood]

i think we should use cogs as trade bait for a special player, everyone seems to think he is an awesome player  so lets palm him off while he is of value , b4 his market value drops and everyone sees that his faults outweigh his talents. yes he has courage, yes he may win a hard ball and a marking contest...but he kicks crap, he has a poor action which he will never change, all he does is poke at th eball and float it without any penetration  tyhus his kicks take extra seconds to reach its target thus a spoil and turnover occurs and usually a goal. on the other hand johnos does have pentetrating kicks but he accuracy is damn well disgracefull, he is an average footballer with a huge reputation, and that the problem with richmond, we keep on selecting players based on reputationsS

Kicking isnt all that important for a inside player of Cogs type.

Remember, this bloke is in his first season back from OP:

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2005 League Total Tackles Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank Player Team Games Tackles for Last Game Total

1 Brett Kirk Sydney 19 8 v Essendon, Round 19 102
2 Luke Ball St Kilda 19 2 v Geelong, Round 19 92
3 Mark Coughlan Richmond 19 2 v Fremantle, Round 19 84
4 Martin Mattner Adelaide 19 3 v Melbourne, Round 19 84
5 Jason Akermanis Brisbane 18 2 v Hawthorn, Round 19 84


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Contested ball gets 2005 (average is 2nd number)

1 S Tuck RIC 77 5
2 S Mitchell HAW 72 5
3 M Coughlan RIC 66 4
4 L Ball STK 66 4
5 C Judd WCE 65 4

Cogs is not overrated whatsoever. He is rated outside Richmond so highly because he is class.

A pure elite footballer.

[Captain__Blood]

Or you can look at it this way -

Cogs

 - 3rd most contested ball in the AFL
 - 3rd total tackles
 - 4th total handballs

And he is average because he doesnt have a penitrating kick?

Get a clue.