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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2014, 09:33:19 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

Jeezus now your just making things up Claw. Anyone and everyone watching him develop at Aberfeldie cemented him in as either a mobile FF or a 3rd tall HF.
Yes I've seen him a couple of times and he is definitely a forward. Not even a question in my mind.
If he gets through preseason play him in a pocket and let him just do his stuff. Will surprise even DH just like Miles did when finally he got his chance.
One of the only potential shining lights on our list not getting a game yet.
he played some great footy down back in his draft yr.
what do you believe the club have said hes to be a ruckman others say hes a fwd me what ive seen of him play down back id say he can make it as a defender.

lets see atm, lazy no defense to his game, not taking overhead marks i can see no harm at all in playing him in defense.

No, no and no.

You want to Eltonise a naturally gifted player let him rot
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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2014, 10:08:02 PM »
Im all for talent in the back line. Its where most of the pressure kicks happen. Kicking for goal only happens 20 times a game kicking out of defense happens 50 times or more. Saying that we need a good half forward too, just saying its not a sin to put a Hodge into defense.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2014, 08:41:05 AM »
One of griff, vickery or jack gets injured and we are faced with the same problem as geelong right now.

They'd have given a left nut to have pods out there on friday night.

Barrett is right up there with mark stevens in terms of media trolling scum.

West coast were very hard to match up on when they had kennedy/darling in fwd and cox/nicnat rotating through.

always room for all of vickery/jack/griff in our fwd line IMO

Until Mcbean cements his spot early next year. Then Vickery can stuff right off

Who plays ruck when maric goes down

Orrwn or hampson

Oooh such options

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2014, 09:10:59 AM »
It wont be orrwn thats for sure

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2014, 07:58:39 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

Jeezus now your just making things up Claw. Anyone and everyone watching him develop at Aberfeldie cemented him in as either a mobile FF or a 3rd tall HF.
Yes I've seen him a couple of times and he is definitely a forward. Not even a question in my mind.
If he gets through preseason play him in a pocket and let him just do his stuff. Will surprise even DH just like Miles did when finally he got his chance.
One of the only potential shining lights on our list not getting a game yet.
he played some great footy down back in his draft yr.
what do you believe the club have said hes to be a ruckman others say hes a fwd me what ive seen of him play down back id say he can make it as a defender.

lets see atm, lazy no defense to his game, not taking overhead marks i can see no harm at all in playing him in defense.

No, no and no.

You want to Eltonise a naturally gifted player let him rot
Geez h Geez dooks are you disagreeing, can you be a tad clearer mate im uncertain.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2014, 08:03:58 PM »
Basically, you are wrong on this one in every sense.

Others will say you are wrong on many fronts BWGAFR.


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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2014, 09:55:23 PM »
Im all for talent in the back line. Its where most of the pressure kicks happen. Kicking for goal only happens 20 times a game kicking out of defense happens 50 times or more. Saying that we need a good half forward too, just saying its not a sin to put a Hodge into defense.
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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2014, 10:04:40 PM »
I can see why Dimma tried Dusty in the backline. You need good users in all areas.
However I do think Dusty is a natural forward/mid and is most damaging there. Doesnt mean he cant be effective across half back though.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #53 on: September 23, 2014, 10:08:57 PM »
Ideally you'd have three deledios; fws / back / mid. Deledio is good forward, yet the back line looks weak as wee without Lida or martin. The current models looks far more vvulnerable without that Luke hodge type. Big ask for vlastuin with morris is kicking it into the stands, houli is taking small steps and chappy lookijg dopey


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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2014, 10:19:24 PM »
Basically, you are wrong on this one in every sense.

Others will say you are wrong on many fronts BWGAFR.
lol your only wrong once your proven to be. many will say im an egotistal sob,  but hey im happy to say i dont get it wrong too often after all no one else will say it. if thats egotistical so be it.
thing is you have an opinion same as me, only time will prove us right or wrong. ive seen mcbean play down back and play damn well there. in fact hes played better there in most aspects of the game than he has as a fwd imo so why have a closed mind to the prospect.
who knows dookster he may be a true utility. as i said no harm at all trying players in different positions to find out what suits em best. its only when we  keep on playing them in a position if they struggle. in that i hop up and down.


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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2014, 10:24:44 PM »
Rance was developing well in his spot and you are / were hoppin'

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2014, 10:54:11 PM »
Rance was developing well in his spot and you are / were hoppin'
alex rance has flaws in his game and for as long as they are there i will continue to point them out.
geez hang draw and quarter me because i basically argue we need to add to rance and allow him to play a slightly different role.

id be over the moon if we managed to find a rutten or merrett type someone like astbury actually managed to play a full yr and established himself thus freeing rance up to a third tall role.throw in a tall running type like mackie for us hopefully mcintosh, and that is actually a vision of what needs to be done to be successful.
yet at every turn all i get is poo hoo we dont need to improve those we have will get us there. ffs forgive me if im not enthused with that.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2014, 11:06:57 PM »
Rance was developing well in his spot and you are / were hoppin'
alex rance has flaws in his game and for as long as they are there i will continue to point them out.
geez hang draw and quarter me because i basically argue we need to add to rance and allow him to play a slightly different role.

id be over the moon if we managed to find a rutten or merrett type someone like astbury actually managed to play a full yr and established himself thus freeing rance up to a third tall role.throw in a tall running type like mackie for us hopefully mcintosh, and that is actually a vision of what needs to be done to be successful.
yet at every turn all i get is poo hoo we dont need to improve those we have will get us there. ffs forgive me if im not enthused with that.

Nobody is saying we don't need to improve.

We just think it's incredulous that you still don't rate Rance, especially as a 1 VS 1 KPD as you have said numerous times, and yet he is made All Australian at CHB LOL.

Back six, sure ideally you want Grimes to improve his run and disposal. He's quick enough to play on a small/medium forward. Or McIntosh (?sp) to play that Mackie-role. Astbury and Rance the main men. Chaplin as third up, which is his best role.

Then you need to consider the likes of Newman, Morris and Houli.

IMO Newman should have retired last year and Morris should be starting full training right about now after having his shoulder surgery 4 months ago. I'd have preferred to play Dea and Helbig across HBF to see if they can make it. Give them a proper crack at it. Not 1 week as a sub, then dropped again. Look at what Geelong do. They take a potato like Blicavs and invest faith in him. Bloke improves with consistent games. Has played 45ish in 2 freaking years. Amazing what a proper crack at the big time can do to a bloke as opposed to crushing his spirit by repeatedly dropping him...

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2014, 07:02:55 AM »
Nobody is saying we don't need to improve.

We just think it's incredulous that you still don't rate Rance, especially as a 1 VS 1 KPD as you have said numerous times, and yet he is made All Australian at CHB LOL.

Back six, sure ideally you want Grimes to improve his run and disposal. He's quick enough to play on a small/medium forward. Or McIntosh (?sp) to play that Mackie-role. Astbury and Rance the main men. Chaplin as third up, which is his best role.

Then you need to consider the likes of Newman, Morris and Houli.

IMO Newman should have retired last year and Morris should be starting full training right about now after having his shoulder surgery 4 months ago. I'd have preferred to play Dea and Helbig across HBF to see if they can make it. Give them a proper crack at it. Not 1 week as a sub, then dropped again. Look at what Geelong do. They take a potato like Blicavs and invest faith in him. Bloke improves with consistent games. Has played 45ish in 2 freaking years. Amazing what a proper crack at the big time can do to a bloke as opposed to crushing his spirit by repeatedly dropping him...

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2014, 08:51:04 AM »
Nobody is saying we don't need to improve.

We just think it's incredulous that you still don't rate Rance, especially as a 1 VS 1 KPD as you have said numerous times, and yet he is made All Australian at CHB LOL.

Back six, sure ideally you want Grimes to improve his run and disposal. He's quick enough to play on a small/medium forward. Or McIntosh (?sp) to play that Mackie-role. Astbury and Rance the main men. Chaplin as third up, which is his best role.

Then you need to consider the likes of Newman, Morris and Houli.

IMO Newman should have retired last year and Morris should be starting full training right about now after having his shoulder surgery 4 months ago. I'd have preferred to play Dea and Helbig across HBF to see if they can make it. Give them a proper crack at it. Not 1 week as a sub, then dropped again. Look at what Geelong do. They take a potato like Blicavs and invest faith in him. Bloke improves with consistent games. Has played 45ish in 2 freaking years. Amazing what a proper crack at the big time can do to a bloke as opposed to crushing his spirit by repeatedly dropping him...

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