Francis Jackson

[Penelope]

Interesting, who's the best recruiter ever and have they picked anyone who wasnt considered successful , how does there record compare against Sir Francis Jackson ?

A very good question, and one i would be interested in seeing the answer to.

[Francois Jackson]

Interesting, who's the best recruiter ever and have they picked anyone who wasnt considered successful , how does there record compare against Sir Francis Jackson ?

IMO Kinnear Beatson has been in the last 20 years. Someone might be able to name another but il take this blokes record over any other. Rampe, Jack, Hannebury to name a few. What was it 10 rookies to play in last years GF. Meanwhile we are tossing ourselves at the prospect of getting pick 5 instead of pick 9.

5 flags in 20 years whilst he was recruiting manager shows he knows what it takes to build a list with late picks.

Anyone compares against FJ lets be honest. His record is deplorable.

[the claw]

at collingwood they would have what 20 odd players nearly all kids taken from the 4th rnd onwards.
swan, toovey,josh thomas, witts, sinclair,frost,seedsman,oxley, marsh,langdon macafer,keefe, goldsack, dwyer and blair.all on their list now. plus 5 or 6 new rookies.jack crisp was a 1 yr rookie at brisbane they accepted him as part of the beams trade.being a trade he doesnt really count.
lamumba, maxwell, clarke, wellingham    were recently there.and god knows how many others over the last 10 yrs. the reward for their investment is good id say.
8 of the above played in a premiership.

atm we have 6 on the rookie list, only short, castagna, and soldo are kids. lambert looks a decent mature rookie as does thomas.  the other rookie is arnot who we originally took with a third rounder.

4th rnd onwards
butler, grimes, lloyd, mckenzie, miles,  petterd a mature pick. 10 yrs and this is fjs current  return.
foley and newman were there before fj came.

jake king and nahas oh white  are the only  players taken 4th rnd onwards who have gone  that i can think of who gave some sort of reasonable  service since fj has been there.

for me what damns him is his record with 2nd and 3rd rounders add that to the above and i just cant see how anyone could defend his record.

i realise collingwoods record is probably one of the better ones in this but it does highlight how far off we have been. we just have to get on a level footing with other clubs and that clearly means we need massive improvement in these areas.

[Francois Jackson]

well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago

Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.

[the claw]

well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago

Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.

the only conclusion for him still being there  that i can come to is if we do reviews on all personell he isnt part of the process. its that or those whose job it is to make sure the footy dept meets its requirements  dont know what they are doing or they have the bar set very low and are content.
maybe its as simple as, they have talked fj up over the yrs and now cant be seen to be wrong. who knows what they think.

[Yeahright]

People on the review comittee don't get reviewed

[the claw]

People on the review comittee don't get reviewed

that would explain a lot.

for a recruiter there arent that many kpis to judge by i wouldnt have thought.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago

Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.

early days but McKintosh sure looks good.

[the claw]

well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago

Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.

early days but McKintosh sure looks good.

and thats the problem. kamdyn if he makes it will be just the second 2nd rnd pick that has made it in 10 yrs of francis jackson. asbury and griffiths are two more we may be able to add to the list. its a lousy record over all though.

the longer it goes some more of the first rounders are looking shakier and shakier.

10 yrs of francis and what have we achieved.

[MintOnLamb]

well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago

Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.

early days but McKintosh sure looks good.

and thats the problem. kamdyn if he makes it will be just the second 2nd rnd pick that has made it in 10 yrs of francis jackson. asbury and griffiths are two more we may be able to add to the list. its a lousy record over all though.

the longer it goes some more of the first rounders are looking shakier and shakier.

10 yrs of francis and what have we achieved.

He really need to be put under the microscope, is he immune from performance reviews??

If he was working in a real job for a company where performance is reviewed he would have been sacked 6 years ago OR the company would be bankrupt OR their share price would have gone from $100.00 to .001 cents
In my mind he is the biggest dud of the lot and as I said it earlier in this thread, find the best list manager, get him plenty of $, hire his ass and fire Jackson.

[the claw]

well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago

Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.

early days but McKintosh sure looks good.

and thats the problem. kamdyn if he makes it will be just the second 2nd rnd pick that has made it in 10 yrs of francis jackson. asbury and griffiths are two more we may be able to add to the list. its a lousy record over all though.

the longer it goes some more of the first rounders are looking shakier and shakier.

10 yrs of francis and what have we achieved.

He really need to be put under the microscope, is he immune from performance reviews??

If he was working in a real job for a company where performance is reviewed he would have been sacked 6 years ago OR the company would be bankrupt OR their share price would have gone from $100.00 to .001 cents
In my mind he is the biggest dud of the lot and as I said it earlier in this thread, find the best list manager, get him plenty of $, hire his ass and fire Jackson.

wouldnt call him a total dud.
look if the job was just the first rnd even i would give him a 7 out of 10 especially if lennon and ellis become good players.gotta give some credit where its due.
while i have some issues with some of his first rnd picks,  most have got us it seems, good at the least long term players. but to me this is how it should be, hes done nothing that really should not be expected.most  clubs have stuffed the odd first rnd pick up the last 10 yrs.

hes had 11 first rounders in 10 yrs imo it goes.
3 failures
5 definate winners
3 too early to call.one  is close to a definate.

the picks are made up of
6 top 10 picks 2, 3, 6, 8,8,9.
4 top 15 picks 12,12, 13, 15.
1 top 20 pick. 18.

[🏅Dooks]

That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?

[the claw]

That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?

rookie pick. dunno if you looked at all the posts but i did a list of players collingwood have taken 4th rnd onwards  on this thread its pretty decent.

[MintOnLamb]

That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?

Age: 22yr 5mth    Games: 4     Born: November 1, 1992   
Height: 192cm     Weight: 78kg     Position: Defender
Last Drafted: Round 7, Pick #92 2013 National Draft

[the claw]

That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?

Age: 22yr 5mth    Games: 4     Born: November 1, 1992   
Height: 192cm     Weight: 78kg     Position: Defender
Last Drafted: Round 7, Pick #92 2013 National Draft

i have him as pick #35 2013 rookie draft.