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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #210 on: May 23, 2015, 08:28:26 AM »
We have never got one draft completely right,  mostly right or even half right. We either nail our first pick and waste the rest, or waste the whole lot.

Many other clubs tend to do what we do but they also get the draft half right or mostly right. That's the difference
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #211 on: May 23, 2015, 08:33:03 AM »
It's a combination of development and recruiting.

I have mentioned this before you go into a season adding to your coaching panel not reducing as we have done the last 3 years

I wouldn't stop at just draft picks check out our rookie draft. That's scary how pathetic we are and how good some clubs are at it

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #212 on: May 23, 2015, 08:53:02 AM »
Would have could have should have

That type of analysis is probably on every other footy sides fan forum, it's not hard

A pick a dud on the list
B go through the drafts choices after that until you find a decent player

At least go for something original or that requires some sort of thought process
I think the point is, the players we talk about in hindsight were available at our pick. Not that hard to imagine we could have actually picked them if only we had a guy that could identify talent.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #213 on: May 23, 2015, 08:56:58 AM »
We have never got one draft completely right,  mostly right or even half right. We either nail our first pick and waste the rest, or waste the whole lot.

Many other clubs tend to do what we do but they also get the draft half right or mostly right. That's the difference
Conca over Heppel, no one in the entire footy world would have done that!
Not only did FJ make that mistake, he has been ultra conservative since with that first round pick.
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #214 on: May 23, 2015, 09:15:08 AM »
We have never got one draft completely right,  mostly right or even half right. We either nail our first pick and waste the rest, or waste the whole lot.

Many other clubs tend to do what we do but they also get the draft half right or mostly right. That's the difference
Conca over Heppel, no one in the entire footy world would have done that!
Not only did FJ make that mistake, he has been altar conservative since with that first round pick.

I have to agree. And you're right. It was publicly known at the time that Heppell was the most talented pick at our pick, but with an injury cloud. Conca was rated 10-20. Didn't stop Essendon swooping. I wonder who did their due diligence on Heppell and who didn't? Was a medical even done?

Where is the paperwork on the decision, and others. Would love this to be released as part of member pressure. There is currently no accountability or transparency.

It's a double edged sword missing good players too. Not only do you not strengthen your own list, you make other clubs lists stronger. The repeated butchering of draft picks over each 5-7 year era of football has been a gift to many other clubs in strengthening and completing their lists, which contributes to these clubs owning us on the field.
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #215 on: May 23, 2015, 01:14:14 PM »
I guess my main point is that you can clearly get talent at least three rounds into the draft.

Yet here we are wondering if first round picks like Vickery, Conca and Lennon will make it. Even B Ellis and Vlastuin seem to have stopped developing.


Disastrous drafting/development.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #216 on: May 23, 2015, 01:39:45 PM »
I guess my main point is that you can clearly get talent at least three rounds into the draft.

Yet here we are wondering if first round picks like Vickery, Conca and Lennon will make it. Even B Ellis and Vlastuin seem to have stopped developing.


Disastrous drafting/development.


All indications are that you are correct and will be probably proven even moreso in time
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #217 on: May 23, 2015, 01:52:28 PM »
There's no doubting it, FJ's record is poor and Gale needs to hold him to account.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #218 on: May 23, 2015, 01:56:39 PM »
I guess my main point is that you can clearly get talent at least three rounds into the draft.

Yet here we are wondering if first round picks like Vickery, Conca and Lennon will make it. Even B Ellis and Vlastuin seem to have stopped developing.


Disastrous drafting/development.

Also how COnca will walk back into the squad as too will Newman.
Vickery already did.
Ellis and Vlaustin already guaranteed starters without any form.
Caracella and Balmey.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #219 on: May 23, 2015, 07:37:33 PM »
TV put on a clinic in the ressies before his return matey, 6 goals  in  two games  ::)
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood @ MCG - Round 7, 2015
« Reply #220 on: May 24, 2015, 07:51:07 AM »
We have never got one draft completely right,  mostly right or even half right. We either nail our first pick and waste the rest, or waste the whole lot.

Many other clubs tend to do what we do but they also get the draft half right or mostly right. That's the difference
Conca over Heppel, no one in the entire footy world would have done that!
Not only did FJ make that mistake, he has been altar conservative since with that first round pick.

I have to agree. And you're right. It was publicly known at the time that Heppell was the most talented pick at our pick, but with an injury cloud. Conca was rated 10-20. Didn't stop Essendon swooping. I wonder who did their due diligence on Heppell and who didn't? Was a medical even done?

Where is the paperwork on the decision, and others. Would love this to be released as part of member pressure. There is currently no accountability or transparency.

It's a double edged sword missing good players too. Not only do you not strengthen your own list, you make other clubs lists stronger. The repeated butchering of draft picks over each 5-7 year era of football has been a gift to many other clubs in strengthening and completing their lists, which contributes to these clubs owning us on the field.
What other clubs release paperwork on their drafting?
Actually thought we did a couple of presentations to our "inner sanctum" supporters a few years ago? Maybe this stopped because we stuffed it up?
Anyways, I'm keen to see how this batch go - Menadue, Ellis, Butler etc
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.