Brad Nottens

[JohnF]

Brad Ottens was voted the worst  player on the ground (interpreted as the "least effective") by Paul Salmon on triple M radio.

Whilst I dont think he was our worst, he was pretty ineffective. He got quite a few tap outs but not a lot were to our advantage. He got 10 possessions, kicking a goal and a couple points. I think this was quite a standard game from Brad and I now come to expect performances like this from him.

A lot has been made of how he wants to go back to Adelaide. Personally, I'd book him a first class ticket outta here. He isn't an essential player. We could get another ruckman at a third of the price to do the same job without having hype surround him.

I'm not saying he is a useless player, but neither is he necessary to our team. 

[Ox]

Brown,Kraks and Cogs and Johnno are the only necessities we have followed by a couple of the kids.
Time to re-build around them.
Anyone else should get out the ky.

[JohnF]

Agree... How sad is it that two of those players weren't even blooded at our club...

[mightytiges]

I would sign up Otto tomorrow if I could. He's got the talent and plenty of years ahead of him but is suffering from three things which are hindering his development - (i) dud coaches with a non-existent modern gameplan, (ii) mostly dumb and/or skill-less teammates and (iii) most importantly a proper specialist and former great VFL/AFL ruck coach. For crying out loud how was he meant to learn the specialist art of rucking from Stewart Loewe  . Get Sam Newman, Simon Madden or Scott Wynd down to Tigerland.

[Puntroadroar]

Ottens is a joke

time to get rid of him, its obvious he doesnt want to be here, adelaide would give us a 1st round pick and it would be a top first round pick too. Let the crows wait year after year for his so called "potential" to come out.

he is useless.

If from what i have read in articles about this years draft being rich in KPP then I cant see a better time to get rid of him.

[Tigertailz]

Brad has had heaps of time to develop.
We need naturally talented and gifted players.
The delivery of the ball to him is a not the issue.
On countless occasions Brad has been one on one and either been beaten or dropped marks.
He is a thinner version of that prized recruit we once had in Richard Lounder!

[julzqld]

Totally agree MT.  A couple of years ago, Otto and Richo sent fear in the hearts of the opposition - not anymore.  I don't think Ottens even really likes being in the ruck and maybe that's half the problem.  Get Mark Lee or anyone else - except Stewie Loewe, who I would hold responsible for all the bad habits.  Give him a year with a new coach and see if it makes a difference.

[WilliamPowell]

Get Sam Newman, Simon Madden or Scott Wynd down to Tigerland.

We had Scott Wynd for 1 season but he went back to the Bulldogs when Wallace left.

Was one of the first appointments Rhodes made - getting Wynd back at the Club.

There isn't and wont be a ruck coach at Richmond this season 

[Harry]

Trade him.  Alot of supporters would disagree but he obvioulsy doesn't want to be here and we will at least get something decent for him.  His pay check and perceived value far outweighs his output and real value.  We have suffered in the past in that we haven't faced facts with these type of players and they have really hurt the club.  Just look at Daffy, Holland, Borke, Gaspar before him.

[Tiger Spirit]

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but does anyone else think he isn't 100%?  He was in doubt before the game against West Coast.

I might be wrong, but the last two seeks, he seems to have spent a lot of time up forward.  You would think that if he were fit he would be spending more time in the middle of the ground.

[WilliamPowell]

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but does anyone else think he isn't 100%?  He was in doubt before the game against West Coast.

I might be wrong, but the last two seeks, he seems to have spent a lot of time up forward.  You would think that if he were fit he would be spending more time in the middle of the ground.

The thought has certainly crossed my mind TS.

Over in Perth when they were doing thier warm up he didn't do any work in the centre sqaure and didn't go onto the ball at all during that game. This week he spent minimal time in the ruck.

There has been whispers that he has been carrying a kneew injury most of the season.

[Tiger Spirit]

There has been whispers that he has been carrying a kneew injury most of the season.

If that’s the case, it’s good to know we’re looking after the long-term future of our players. 

We play Cogs when some of us knew he shouldn’t have played through the pre season and now we’re playing Otto while he’s not right and will not get right by continuing to play.   

[mightytiges]

There isn't and wont be a ruck coach at Richmond this season 

That's a disgrace  . We supposedly pumped all this extra money into the footy department ($800K wasn't it?) yet we don't bother to hire a specialist ruck coach. Professionalism at Tigerland - what a joke!

[Puntroadroar]

Trade him.  Alot of supporters would disagree but he obvioulsy doesn't want to be here and we will at least get something decent for him.  His pay check and perceived value far outweighs his output and real value.  We have suffered in the past in that we haven't faced facts with these type of players and they have really hurt the club.  Just look at Daffy, Holland, Borke, Gaspar before him.

Top post Harry,

About time Richmond people started to realise exactly this point. He is totally overated and will hurt us more if we keep him than if we trade him. For too long at Richmond we have kept these so called "potential" players and it just doesnt work, we could easily get more than his worth at years end with his age and being a tall player, we could be the ones laughing at such a trade in 2-3 years time.

[WilliamPowell]

Still cannot help but think what a difference a new coach could make to the likes of Ottens, Schulz and Newman to name a few.