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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #135 on: July 25, 2015, 12:57:39 PM »
Lake won the norm smith didn't he? Big contributor

Burgoyne wasn't cheap Al. 2 first round picks if I recall and big money at the time.

There have been a few who have excelled at their new club as others have said. Add b Vince to that list as well.

My theory is you shouldn't be affraid to pay for quality players just like Burgoyne and Gunston, especially when you have a plethora of hacks still on descent money. Get rid of those and spend it on a quality player. It's not that hard

FJ hasn't got the greatest record either so can't really rely on him to find us a graders with post first round picks

i've counted burgoine as succesfull big name trade.

now as for getting rid of hacks and using that money on big name players, what do you replace them with? you have less money to spend, so its harder to replace with quality.

even if you replace with kids, if they come good you then need to find more money to retain them.

In its simplest form, you either spend up on stars and have your bottom tier total garbage, (see sydney with flankiln, tippet then down to derrickx) or try to spread your spending across average type players.

In reality it's not quite that simple. List management is a dynamic thing and you need take into account future payments as players improve and retire etc.

Sydney are actually a good case to follow, as they seem to have changed tack once roos left spent money on stars. This lead to them losing players like mumford and white, while retaining derrickx.

The big spanner that can get into the works is injuries and in theory loading up on top line players should be the better option if you have a good run with injuries, but will hurt more if you cop injuries, particularily if they include a top liner or two.
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #136 on: July 25, 2015, 01:06:19 PM »
al, if you get rid of two or three hacks

That's equals one  good player

Especially overpaid rfc hacks
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #137 on: July 25, 2015, 01:17:19 PM »
Penelope, if you get rid of two or three hacks

That's equals one  good player

Especially overpaid rfc hacks

But you then need to replace the other 1-2 list spots that you just got rid of, and with what money? You're taking 3 average players on ~300k each and replacing them with one on ~600k and the other two are left with ~150k each and chances are you aren't going to get anything good for 150k

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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #138 on: July 25, 2015, 01:26:07 PM »
Penelope, if you get rid of two or three hacks

That's equals one  good player

Especially overpaid rfc hacks

But you then need to replace the other 1-2 list spots that you just got rid of, and with what money? You're taking 3 average players on ~300k each and replacing them with one on ~600k and the other two are left with ~150k each and chances are you aren't going to get anything good for 150k

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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2015, 01:31:53 PM »
What do you think we have to give to get Treloar? We aren't going to have many good picks in the draft unless we trade away high talent which basically makes grabbing Treloar redundant.

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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2015, 01:33:18 PM »
i explained all that george. try to concentrate.
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2015, 01:34:16 PM »
i explained all that george. try to concentrate.

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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2015, 01:34:57 PM »
Vickery > Collingwood
Treloar > Richmond
2 first round picks > GWS

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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #143 on: July 25, 2015, 01:35:38 PM »
So how do clubs ever trade for highly rated players gentlemen
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #144 on: July 25, 2015, 01:37:09 PM »
Vickery > Collingwood
Treloar > Richmond
2 first round picks > GWS

Just to clarify that is my proposed three way deal
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #145 on: July 25, 2015, 01:38:11 PM »
So how do clubs ever trade for highly rated players gentlemen

Like Willy said, but we have to give something to get something. We can't just cut three duds and hope to pull someone from thin air

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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #146 on: July 25, 2015, 01:41:44 PM »
Honestly there really hasn't been many players at all to leave for big money and take the new team to a premiership instantly.
Does anyone really think that by paying overs for this bloke he will instantly turn us into a premiership threat? I don't think so.
What about our small fwd/s need, another quality ruck, running defender, tall defender.
There are a few needs he is but one.
I am not against taking him at all, I was really strong on taking Shiel and this kid would definitely Improve our midfield but if taking him means we miss out on two other players coming in is it worth it?

Yeah I get that part, and I'm more than enthusiastic about the club picking up a gun. But that doesn't fix our ruck issues or sml fwd problems. We still need salary cap space and draft/player currency for trades etc

Swapping Newman or grigg, for a kid talked about as the best young talent going around?

Yes, I think that would instantly make us a lot closer to threatening for a flag
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #147 on: July 25, 2015, 01:42:08 PM »
So how do clubs ever trade for highly rated players gentlemen
reread and comprehend and it may become a bit clearer, but i doubt it.

there are many factors to consider though and it all depends on where your list is at, at the time.
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #148 on: July 25, 2015, 01:45:27 PM »
I'd you get tremor,

You still have some draft picks left. Or you can trade for more.

If you get rid of a few spuds, you don't have yo give every cent to the new player
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Re: Adam Treloar targeted by Tigers, Roos, Pies (Hun)
« Reply #149 on: July 25, 2015, 01:51:49 PM »
And then you end up with a list like Al said before. Good top end talent, not depth and you end up like Sydney who have to play someone like Derickx if someone goes down