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« Reply #255 on: Yesterday at 10:48:20 AM »
Yes WP that's my theory or deduction, which is why I said 'to me this is...'

I'm not stating it as fact, per se.

But I'm comfortable saying that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

I guess I'd be surprised if it was someone who identifies as a conservative!

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« Reply #256 on: Yesterday at 02:03:49 PM »
I must be the only person who had never heard of him. Mind you I pay little attention to these moronic foreign Yanks. Even more so, I can't stand so-called "influencers" (talk about an Orwellian term btw). Imagine being a sheep whose worldview is "influenced" from these attention-seeking money-grubby grifters with no qualifications nor expertise in anything :facepalm

Anyway, I see this guy was your typical evangelical religious nutjob you get in America. Another hypocrite who dressed up his political conservatism and culture war crap as "Christianity" (I must have missed where in the Bible it says Je-sus was a political conservative who loved guns and hated people who were born different ::) ).

Anyway, this little 'gem' of his stood out:

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.

Ironic.

Now, should someone be targeted and murdered, of course not. It's evil, barbaric, and ultimately self-destructive as it becomes tit-for-tat violence with reprisal after reprisal. Just a form of gangster culture. But this overtly toxic American culture enables such evil acts and does nothing to reduce them let alone prevent them. And when you have these grifters promoting and exploiting this deranged BS for political fame and profit, it's hard to have sympathy when they end up a victim of it. Stupid Yankee idiots!

Thankfully, we Aussies rejected such foreign toxic cultural war crap in large numbers at the last election. Helps that we don't have this idiotic gun culture and further to that we're approaching a majority who are non-religious, so we aren't so gullible. Which begs the question as to why this guy is being made such a big deal of here in Australia's media when he had nothing to do with Australia. Our pathetic out of touch media pandering once again to the tiny minority fringe ::).   

You're wrong on this one MT.

I would encourage you to just listen to him and not what one side has said what he has said.

Listen to one of his prove me wrong college campus talks.

He asked questions and wanted dissenting opinions to be heard and engaged with. 

He didn't "hate" or preach hate.

As Christians we are called to love our enemies and pray for them. You might not like Christian's and think it's ridiculous to believe in a sky daddy but should we label you as a hate monger of "Christians" because you don't like what we believe?

I don't think one should be labeled as a hater or nazi or racist just because there is an opposing view.

One thing that Charlie shouldn't be accused of is a hypocrit. He lived as a Christian man, father and a husband. He practiced what he preached and hasn't ever been in trouble with the law.

He dropped out of college and started turning point USA and wanted to encourage dialogue. The colleges in the USA are very left leaning and progressive. He was willing to go there and bring a table and ask questions and foster discussion. He wasn't great when he started and he didn't have the microphones and cameras he did when he grew in popularity.

He never preached hate. He fostered dialogue and encouraged anyone with an opposite view to speak first.

Why don't you spend some time and listen to one full change my mind gigs he did on those college campuses. Some are more than an hour long and just listen.

Anyone can rip off sound bites on any side of politics.

Cenk Uygur from the Young Turks a very progressive political show had very kind words to say about Charlie and politically they didn't agree on almost anything.

I think your way off on this and if you've never heard of him or heard him maybe making comments probably wasn't your best decision.
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« Reply #257 on: Yesterday at 02:15:41 PM »
typical lefty comments here. :lol :lol

I wont comment, but.......

I never heard of him but.....

I have to say i dont think i ever heard of this guy but it doesnt change anything. His thoughts from what i have heard are extremely accurate.

The exception is the abortion one via rape. I do believe woman have a right to choose here but that is me.

What this does do is ensure the Republican Party will continue in power for years to come.

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« Reply #258 on: Yesterday at 02:41:11 PM »


why not share? if those strong views in any way are thinking he helped bring it on himself..


OK. These will be my only comments

1/ His murder is abhorrent. He didn't deserve. As you say it was barbaric, brutal and he didn’t deserve it. No one does. My heartfelt sympathies go to his wife and especially his children.

2/ just because he's a Christian doesn't mean he was a good bloke, a decent bloke.

3/ so please let's not make him out to be some martyr.

4/ despite what the US President said this shouldn't be a left -v- right thing despite him without hesitation making it that way. His hypocrisy knows no bounds. A conservative gets murdered and without any proof it is leftist extremists who did it. Extreme right wingers storm the capital,  murder and injure people and they are patriots. Even you AT had to make a comment about the left in your reply to me. Andyy too, posted without any proof it had to be "an extreme leftist " who did it. Surely we can wait to find out and then go whack.

5/ Finally, there was one comment made under the term fact that I vehemently disagree with but I refuse to get into that discussion again

Question 1) I think if the person that shot him did it because of his political or Christian views then what else could he be but a "political" or "religious" martyr? 

The Cambridge dictionary.
"a person who suffers very much or is killed because of their religious or political beliefs, and is often admired because of it"
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/martyr

  In point 2 you state that just because he was a Christian doesn't mean he is a good bloke or a decent bloke.

That statement is probable true about me. No doubt about that because unlike Charlie I have many flaws and they are front and centre and I'm not really a decent or good bloke.
I also didn't start a political organisation for college students when I was 18 nor did I go to hostile places like college campuses to discuss my differing opinions.

Why isn't he a good or decent bloke? Has he shot anyone? Has he ever broke a law? Is he disrespectful to others? Has he caused anyone to be shot or killed? Did he not encourage dialogue?
Has he encouraged anyone to be killed for having a differing opinion?  Is he calling all who disagree with him a right wing nazi fascist? Is he a Christian that practices what he preaches?  Or did he live out his Christianity as a testimony to others? Has he stabbed someone on a train? Has he stolen? Did he commit armed robbery? Was he a coward that wouldn't back up his own statements?

Question 2 is he NOT a "good" or "decent" bloke just because he has a differing views as yours?


I don't really like or agree with Cenk Uyghur from the Young Turks but I think he's probably a decent bloke. Why? He's a family man and has built a successful political news network and he's a law abiding citizen that contributes to society to try to make it better. He's been very consistent in his life up until now. I don't agree with him at all but I don't think I can say he's not a decent or good bloke especially if I've never met him in person.
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« Reply #259 on: Yesterday at 05:53:16 PM »
https://youtu.be/HlIvH6ozvv4

A very good response from Burnie Sanders who I don't politically agree with much at all but a very good response by him.
“When people stop talking, that’s when you get violence. That’s when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.”
Charlie Kirk.

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« Reply #260 on: Today at 06:35:46 AM »
Not like you to spread misinformation MT. No context with any statement, just pure hate. Proving your initial remarks - you knew nothing of the man.

No one here is admiring him, just not condoning assassinations and we are actually genuine when we say he didn't deserve this. My thoughts are firmly with his family and friends. It truly makes me sad.

I really dislike your paragraphs of hate.
What misinformation? There is this thing called the internet you know. What I quoted is verbatim and in context. In the same speech he tried to equate the high total of gun murders to car accidents ::). He of course spewed out the usual deluded American answer of more armed guards and blaming fatherless kids.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fact-check-charlie-kirk-once-205500283.html

You can dislike what I said all you want. I will never accept the high number of gun homicides in America and especially the killing of kids in school shooting after school shooting as an acceptable "cost". That's sick! Those that do, and that also stand in the way of even the simplest of gun control measures (eg: federal firearm registry) to reduce the massacres, are no believers in a free civil society.
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« Reply #261 on: Today at 06:36:36 AM »
I must be the only person who had never heard of him. Mind you I pay little attention to these moronic foreign Yanks. Even more so, I can't stand so-called "influencers" (talk about an Orwellian term btw). Imagine being a sheep whose worldview is "influenced" from these attention-seeking money-grubby grifters with no qualifications nor expertise in anything :facepalm

Anyway, I see this guy was your typical evangelical religious nutjob you get in America. Another hypocrite who dressed up his political conservatism and culture war crap as "Christianity" (I must have missed where in the Bible it says Je-sus was a political conservative who loved guns and hated people who were born different ::) ).

Anyway, this little 'gem' of his stood out:

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.

Ironic.

Now, should someone be targeted and murdered, of course not. It's evil, barbaric, and ultimately self-destructive as it becomes tit-for-tat violence with reprisal after reprisal. Just a form of gangster culture. But this overtly toxic American culture enables such evil acts and does nothing to reduce them let alone prevent them. And when you have these grifters promoting and exploiting this deranged BS for political fame and profit, it's hard to have sympathy when they end up a victim of it. Stupid Yankee idiots!

Thankfully, we Aussies rejected such foreign toxic cultural war crap in large numbers at the last election. Helps that we don't have this idiotic gun culture and further to that we're approaching a majority who are non-religious, so we aren't so gullible. Which begs the question as to why this guy is being made such a big deal of here in Australia's media when he had nothing to do with Australia. Our pathetic out of touch media pandering once again to the tiny minority fringe ::).   

You're wrong on this one MT.

I would encourage you to just listen to him and not what one side has said what he has said.

Listen to one of his prove me wrong college campus talks.

He asked questions and wanted dissenting opinions to be heard and engaged with.
I actually have in the last few days. The problem is his views are no different to other American religious conservatives. You know what they are going to say before they say it because it's nothing original and it's the same regurgitated phrases others have said ad nauseum for years. And yes while unlike other conservatives he at least didn't hide away in conservative media, these prove me wrong sessions weren't debating experts. Little first year uni students who are nervous and unprepared are easy prey for grifters with well-rehearsed tropes. His Turning Point youtube channel also has typical mocking titles like something out of Sky-After-Dark which is a turn off. Anyway, the only two videos I watched that I found interesting was firstly the one with articulate pro-2A bloke who at least argued for the bare minimal federal gun registration. If there was more of his kind it would offer hope of change when right now there is none. The other video was at Cambridge University where Kirk actually had to debate someone knowledgeable in sociology and his insular little evangelical worldview got totally exposed.

He didn't "hate" or preach hate.

As Christians we are called to love our enemies and pray for them. You might not like Christian's and think it's ridiculous to believe in a sky daddy but should we label you as a hate monger of "Christians" because you don't like what we believe?

I don't think one should be labeled as a hater or nazi or racist just because there is an opposing view.

One thing that Charlie shouldn't be accused of is a hypocrit. He lived as a Christian man, father and a husband. He practiced what he preached and hasn't ever been in trouble with the law.

He dropped out of college and started turning point USA and wanted to encourage dialogue. The colleges in the USA are very left leaning and progressive. He was willing to go there and bring a table and ask questions and foster discussion. He wasn't great when he started and he didn't have the microphones and cameras he did when he grew in popularity.

He never preached hate. He fostered dialogue and encouraged anyone with an opposite view to speak first.

Why don't you spend some time and listen to one full change my mind gigs he did on those college campuses. Some are more than an hour long and just listen.

Anyone can rip off sound bites on any side of politics.

Cenk Uygur from the Young Turks a very progressive political show had very kind words to say about Charlie and politically they didn't agree on almost anything.

I think your way off on this and if you've never heard of him or heard him maybe making comments probably wasn't your best decision.
Show me where I said I don't like Christians? I have time for real ones who show compassion for all, especially the less fortunate and the outcast. Unlike these fake evangelical grifters that try to dress up their political social conservative fundamentalism as being morally superior to everyone else while hypocritically adoring adulterers and having open hatred of those that are simply born different. They are no followers of Je-sus' teachings - "do unto others as you would want them to do upon you". I had 13 years of Catholic education you know. It comes in handy now as I know these frauds are spinning unChristian BS. Also, once they cross the line separating Church and State and want to impose their warped religious beliefs on the rest of us then these warped beliefs become fair game.

Most of my family were working class Catholics. They didn't hate and blame immigrants. They didn't hate gays and transgender people and accuse them of being a "mental delusional minority" - Kirk's own words by the way. They didn't hold medieval beliefs such as a woman's place is soley in the home as a servant to their husband. Marriage instead was/is a partnership based on love, trust and mutual respect; not slavery. They certainly would never tell 14 year old girls interested in going to University to get a "MRS" degree (be a housewife) instead of an actual uni degree :facepalm.

Of course, it's easy for these political grifters backed by billionaires to accuse colleges/universities of being a "scam". Yeah, how dare working class people achieve more & better opportunities ::). Conservatives at least in past generations valued formal education even if they limited it to themselves. Now they despise it because it doesn't affirm but instead challenges their hardcore religious dogma.

ps. Just on your last sentence Tigeritis, just because an "influencer" is supposedly left-wing doesn't make it any better. Political discourse has been dumbed down and trivialised thanks to social media and its "influencers". The mainstream media deserve a whack too. 
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Re: R.I.P. thread
« Reply #262 on: Today at 10:44:34 AM »
If a Richmond thread in Australia shows division relating him

Imagine what he was causing in the states

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« Reply #263 on: Today at 01:29:58 PM »
If a Richmond thread in Australia shows division relating him

Imagine what he was causing in the states

Just saying

what division? mt allegedly didn't even know who this bloke was yesterday now does some last minute searches and comes up with something.

i would say 80% on this site agree with most things he says.





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