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Offline RedanTiger

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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2015, 01:32:36 PM »
Pope, I agree the holes are obvious but...

1. Ruckman, need a ready made one. 
Options: Kreuzer as the free agent costs us "only" money.
I would also look at the trade with West Coast of Conca for Lycett. Wouldn't cost us money on wages and probably not picks either.

2. Small Forward, deja vu. Ideally ready made.
I would rather rely on the ones we have than go for a trade. Lambert will improve next year and I have hope for Lloyd and Butler as well.
The forward plan to me is more of a problem than the cattle.

3. 3rd Backman/Swing Man.
This is where the calls to trade out Astbury for Yarran to me are so crazy they are Fantasy Footy reality.
We know that Chaplin will probably be gone after next year. Astbury, based on his form early last year, is the next best option and IMO at least close to anything we get from Carlisle.
The shift of interest to me is the option of playing Griffith as the KPD, forcing him to be involved chasing a man. He has the speed, can be a strong pack mark and has a huge boot. The perfect traits for a KPD. Then Astbury becomes the true swing man going to a Waite for example or else stretching a defence as a CHF and moving Jack to the flank. 

4. A Grade Mid/ Elite Mid.
I would be throwing everything at Dangerfield. He is exactly what we want - the big bodied mid with all the skills especially power. Dusty and Danger would be scary and improve every other player in the team. Again he is a free agent so "only" costs us money.
The other option is Treloar who is still there given GWS wants the best deal for itself. He is that extra accumulator we need. We can give up the picks but the money becomes a problem.

So if the finances could be worked, and lets face it none of our current player can complain about paying outsiders big money, we could have:
Ruck - Kreuzer and Lycett 
Small forward - rely on Edwards, Lambert, Lloyd and Butler improvement.
3rd Back swing. - switch Griffith to the back and rely on Astbury.
Elite mid - Dangerfield and Treloar.
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2015, 02:45:27 PM »
So if the finances could be worked, and lets face it none of our current player can complain about paying outsiders big money, we could have:
Ruck - Kreuzer and Lycett

- Kreuzer only.
 
Small forward - rely on Edwards, Lambert, Lloyd and Butler improvement.

- Don't agree, Edwards and Lambert are more mids, we have been calling for Edwards to remain in the goal square for years and it doesn't happen, never will. You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.

3rd Back swing. - switch Griffith to the back and rely on Astbury.

- Really, Griff did not work down back, why does this keep coming up, go watch the games Griff played there, he is not the answer, we need a tried and ready backman, not a project. Yes Astbury can do it if he finds that form of two years ago.


Elite mid - Dangerfield and Treloar.

- YES and YES but won't happen.
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2015, 03:27:29 PM »
Quote from: WA Tiger on September 15, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
So if the finances could be worked, and lets face it none of our current player can complain about paying outsiders big money, we could have:
Ruck - Kreuzer and Lycett

- Kreuzer only.
 
Small forward - rely on Edwards, Lambert, Lloyd and Butler improvement.

- Don't agree, Edwards and Lambert are more mids, we have been calling for Edwards to remain in the goal square for years and it doesn't happen, never will. You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.

3rd Back swing. - switch Griffith to the back and rely on Astbury.

- Really, Griff did not work down back, why does this keep coming up, go watch the games Griff played there, he is not the answer, we need a tried and ready backman, not a project. Yes Astbury can do it if he finds that form of two years ago.


Elite mid - Dangerfield and Treloar.

- YES and YES but won't happen.

Fair nuff.
Just really sick of posters wanting to get rid of players in bizarre swaps.
Want to really use the free agency for it's best value - adding players at no pick or player loss.

The Lycett one would also mean that Hampson would be delisted.

As said in my post , think the forward plan is as much at fault as the cattle.
Small forwards are now expected to go onball, even mediums.

Danger is what is essential to our midfield but unlikely to happen I agree.
Not giving up on Treloar yet, with all the GWS fan/excrement still happening.

Every year I'm underwhelmed by our trades/free agency.
Would have thought with our experience in Gale, Richardson and Hartley we would be at the forefront in dealing free agents.
This year, with our list in reasonable shape IMO, I'm scared they'll screw it up totally and gain garbage (again) while losing potential quality.   
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2015, 04:37:45 PM »
Quote from: WA Tiger on September 15, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2015, 04:39:14 PM »
Quote from: Yeahright on September 15, 2015, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: WA Tiger on September 15, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor
Agree with that.
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2015, 04:40:04 PM »
Loyd(barge arse as we call him) oozes X factor I think
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2015, 06:06:41 PM »
Danger stood up in the elimination final when needed........
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2015, 08:06:54 PM »
Quote from: Yeahright on September 15, 2015, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: WA Tiger on September 15, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor

Butler has been on an AFL list, was injured for half of it.
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2015, 08:22:28 PM »
Quote from: Penelope on September 15, 2015, 06:06:41 PM
Danger stood up in the elimination final when needed........

he wants to play for the cats
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2015, 10:23:44 PM »
and treloar wants to play for the skunks, so what's your point?
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2015, 12:41:10 PM »
Quote from: Hard Roar Tiger on September 15, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: Yeahright on September 15, 2015, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: WA Tiger on September 15, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor


Butler has been on an AFL list, was injured for half of it.

What's your point?
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2015, 09:59:24 PM »
From Barrett's sliding doors column ...


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IF .... a third consecutive loss in an elimination final proves one thing ...    

THEN ... it is this: your entire set-up needs a serious re-jig before you enter the next season.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-18/sliding-doors-finals-week-two
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2015, 10:09:43 AM »
Areas of need for 2016.....

- HEART.

- RESOLVE.

- DETERMINATION.

- TESTOSTERONE.

- LEADERS THAT ACTUALLY LEAD.
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2015, 10:19:03 AM »
well said Tigiritis.

Forget the recruits we want ,these points outlined are whats going to make the biggest difference to our fortunes,Although the testosterone I think comes with the territory of the other points ;D
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Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2015, 10:28:41 AM »
Quote from: Tigeritis™©® on September 20, 2015, 10:09:43 AM
Areas of need for 2016.....

- HEART.

- RESOLVE.

- DETERMINATION.

- TESTOSTERONE.

- LEADERS THAT ACTUALLY LEAD.
Testosterone is WADA prohibited Tigeritis! ;D
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