Why we missed out on Treloar & others - Richmond always offer le$$ than market value for new tale

[🏅Dooks]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/collingwood/collingwood-recruit-adam-treloar-reveals-why-he-chose-magpies-in-trade-period/news-story/86925e462ac06ea22005f891a6d202b2

perhaps if he was that concerned about paris he wouldnt have even brought up another club. Flog. Someone has probably been in his ear again after yesterday

Je suis ballbag

[rogerd3]

Eddie knows the real story apparently

[Hard Roar Tiger]

ahh Figjam junior learns the taste of his own foot, nom nom nom

FJ for me

[Diocletian]

He's a gun mid, not a hack recruiter...

[the claw]

So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where  the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.

Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.

I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.

They have  had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades,  Out  Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A,  Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades.  In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

[Petey]

When did Collingwood last play finals? Is Treloar going to say "Richmond are better, but I'm playing for Collingwood". No. He'll pump up his club obviously.

[Gigantor]

Claw has an opinion and he sticks to it.Not even a thermo nuclear device will dislodge that...Got to admire that .

[Stalin]

stoic in the mold of a suicide bomber

[YellowandBlackBlood]

So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where  the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.

Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.

I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.

They have  had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades,  Out  Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A,  Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades.  In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.

[JP Tiger]

When you draft/trade in & out as often as Collingwood do is it any surprise that they get the odd one right!
But when you take away the media spin & look at it for what it is, are they really any good at it? 

[Stalin]

So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where  the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.

Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.

I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.

They have  had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades,  Out  Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A,  Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades.  In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.

but we are happy to have senior d graders on relatively huge deals

both money and years

[YellowandBlackBlood]

So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where  the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.

Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.

I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.

They have  had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades,  Out  Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A,  Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades.  In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.

but we are happy to have senior d graders on relatively huge deals

both money and years

And who are these D graders on huge deals Stalin?

[tony_montana]

So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where  the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.

Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.

I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.

They have  had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades,  Out  Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A,  Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades.  In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

Yep, a lot of neutrals were laughing and saying collingwoods easily bc of all the first rounders they've traded in yada yada, but since then a few articles have compared both lists and whats come out is we have more top 20 picks on our list than anyone else bar GWS. We have more top end talent and whilst they've loaded up on bluechip stock last 2 years, they have no first rounder this year and next year whilst we do so that will even it up again.

Still, I'll be a whole lot happier if lennon, C.Ellis, B Ellis, Vlastuin and Conca go on to the next level. A lot of ifs, but most of that group are showing encouraging signs

[the claw]

So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where  the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.

Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.

I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.

They have  had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades,  Out  Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A,  Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades.  In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.

Disagree Ball Jolly Didak and Shaw would have been on average money. Shaw actually left for a pay day. the other three were at the arse end of their careers.
Hawthorn could not match the sydney bid they were prepared to pay plenty to keep him though.  I heard as much as 850k the length of contract was the real sticking point.
Geelong were prepared to pay Ablett a massive amount and had endorsment schemes in place to supplement his wage. Im sure Dangerfield would have got just as much at Adelaide if he stayed.
Every club is in the same boat, well with  sydney and gws  the exceptions. every club is paying close to 100% of tpp including us. I would hazard a guess the pay scales at most clubs are similar.

When Treloar says he chose Collingwood because of a better chance at a premiership you can bet your bottom dollar that is what he believes. Rumour is he gets 700k a year, our offer would have been a match  or damn close,  so the difference in getting him is probably the next most important thing to a player.  That is success.He chose Collingwood because he thinks he has a better chance of success.
As we all know we are not rated in the wider footy community so why would this shock people .

[Stalin]

Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11

regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order attempt future, long term success

we may have more top 20 picks but when you include the like of chaplin and hampson you are getting into clutching-at-straw territory