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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2015, 05:21:57 PM »
There you have a free pass to lose as many elimination finals as you like

And give your list blocking limp goat mates long term deals

Me thinks if Dimma loses another Elimination ....it's bye bye. I even think he would walk.
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2015, 05:22:59 PM »
Why is it always someone else's fault at RIchmond??

What are you on about ?
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2015, 05:23:49 PM »
There you have a free pass to lose as many elimination finals as you like

And give your list blocking limp goat mates long term deals

Me thinks if Dimma loses another Elimination ....it's bye bye. I even think he would walk.

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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2015, 05:28:28 PM »
It proves other sides have attempted a proper rebuild

Rather than topping up a middling list

Been an impressive rebuild when you take into account it was done during an era of compromised drafts where we were denied the usual access to the cream of the crop.

Gone from "worst team since Fitzroy" to statically the fifth best team over the past 3 years.
Our stars are still easily in their prime , unlike a North who will have 5 players over 32 next year.

Won zero finals
Finished top 4 zero times

Impressive is defined as:  evoking admiration through size, quality, or skill; grand, imposing, or awesome.

One could argue

 - Norf are better than us, the proof is in the pudding
 - they have old players but tey are good at football; unlike your newmans Griggs Chaplins.
 - Maric and lids are critical and will not be around forever with no obvious replacements


There is no prize for being the 5th best, in a game of drafts and salary caps.

Most would say Dimmas first few years were ok.  It's the latter part of his tenure that's the worry
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2015, 06:14:29 PM »
Success to the RFC is to be mediocre on the field but comparatively successful in finances.

Clearly.
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2015, 06:15:59 PM »
Why is it always someone else's fault at RIchmond??

Because Richmond.
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2015, 07:51:10 PM »
Success to the RFC is to be mediocre on the field but comparatively successful in finances.

Clearly.

Disagree , think that reality only exists in the OER universe.
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2015, 08:12:28 PM »
It proves other sides have attempted a proper rebuild

Rather than topping up a middling list

Been an impressive rebuild when you take into account it was done during an era of compromised drafts where we were denied the usual access to the cream of the crop.

Gone from "worst team since Fitzroy" to statically the fifth best team over the past 3 years.
Our stars are still easily in their prime , unlike a North who will have 5 players over 32 next year.

Won zero finals
Finished top 4 zero times

Impressive is defined as:  evoking admiration through size, quality, or skill; grand, imposing, or awesome.

One could argue

 - Norf are better than us, the proof is in the pudding
 - they have old players but tey are good at football; unlike your newmans Griggs Chaplins.
 - Maric and lids are critical and will not be around forever with no obvious replacements


There is no prize for being the 5th best, in a game of drafts and salary caps.

Most would say Dimmas first few years were ok.  It's the latter part of his tenure that's the worry

I think most would say 2015 was the best part of his tenure - beating the Dockers in Perth and Swans in Sydney plus conquering the unbeatable Hawthorn.
He just stuffed it up big time at the 11th hour selecting Conca and Griffiths in that final. He rolled the dice and lost.
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2015, 08:40:17 PM »
2015 was another wasted year

2 from the first six including getting rolled by melbourne, doggies

Struggled big time round six vs Norf    Another typical display by the plodders
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2015, 08:47:04 PM »
I enjoyed 2015 for the most part - Demons and Roos x 2 - aside.
These brain fades - selection of Conca and Griffith, kicking into the wind etc are baffling because they are SO unnecessary.
Isn't the game already hard enough lads?
I question Richmonds savvy - we appear naïve as to when is the right time to take risks and then what risk is worth taking.
I'm not as concerned at the list as some are on the forum.
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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2015, 08:52:24 PM »
Savvy or professionalism?

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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2015, 09:09:58 PM »
Maybe get the membership up even more, worked for the Dawks
Maybe some "supporters" that like to rant on forums and the lurkers etc  put their money where their mouths are, might help?

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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2015, 10:26:04 PM »
Savvy or professionalism?

I reckon it's more the ability to make a call based on "gut" and get it right.
Stewie Dew to the Hawks in 2008 as one example.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2015, 10:29:59 PM »
I enjoyed 2015 for the most part - Demons and Roos x 2 - aside.
These brain fades - selection of Conca and Griffith, kicking into the wind etc are baffling because they are SO unnecessary.
Isn't the game already hard enough lads?
I question Richmonds savvy - we appear naïve as to when is the right time to take risks and then what risk is worth taking.
I'm not as concerned at the list as some are on the forum.
The right talent surrounded by the right leadership and the best development would make a difference

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Re: Why aren't we better?
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2015, 11:40:58 PM »
I enjoyed 2015 for the most part - Demons and Roos x 2 - aside.
These brain fades - selection of Conca and Griffith, kicking into the wind etc are baffling because they are SO unnecessary.
Isn't the game already hard enough lads?
I question Richmonds savvy - we appear naïve as to when is the right time to take risks and then what risk is worth taking.
I'm not as concerned at the list as some are on the forum.
The right talent surrounded by the right leadership and the best development would make a difference

Some good points...

Thoughts on our key position & ruck stocks?

Forwards:
Jack - check
Vickery - 50/50 for me
Griffiths - doesn't look likely to me anymore
McBean - who knows? Bloke can't get a game
McKenzie - unknown

Defenders:
Rance - check
Chaplin - slow, bit of a jib one-out (think Nahas) and getting old
Grimes - check, but at 193/88 he's hardly a KPD better as a mid/small
Elton - dunno if he'll make it
Astbury - dunno if his body will hold out/he'll make it
Batchelor - not a KPD despite being used as one

Ruck stocks?
Maric - check, but getting old and less mobile
Vickery - pinch-hitter and looking more forward
Griffiths - pinch-hitter
Soldo - developing
Hampson - knee buggered but can tap well when fit
New black dude - developing


As for leadership, well I like the idea of Rance or Jack being captain followed by Vlastuin. Don't think Cotchin and Lids are hard enough. Martin not right for it.