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Re: International Politics
« Reply #345 on: November 18, 2020, 02:53:39 PM »
Pardon him for what?

Gotta love lefties bagging Trump right now when they spent his entire presidency sprouting fairytales of the last election being rigged, refusing to accept a democratically elected leader, rioting in the streets murdering people and destroying businesses.

Hey lefties, your side is just as stuffed as the goon bags on the right.

You're all idiots
I'm not talking about far left or far right idiots on the streets.

The smooth transition of power is one of the most fundamental elements of democracy. In Australia, we have the caretaker period to allow for it. While in the USA, the president-elect should be allowed access to economic, security, health, etc briefings prior to the Jan 20 transfer. Trump is blocking these briefings. He is preventing this smooth transition of power which is a disgrace on its own. Add a 1-in-100 year pandemic which is out of control over there, an economic downturn, and with China and Russia deliberately infiltrating and targeting weaknesses in western countries - and it's sheer lunacy :facepalm.

Trump has a right to ask for vote recounts in close states (which he has mocked anyway because they are only verifying the original result) and even seek legal options provided he has actual independently verifiable evidence (which he has none!). He doesn't have to like the result and can sook on twitter all he likes, but to not concede when the election result is clear cut (306-232) and then block the transition of power is him showing total contempt for democracy and its fundamental institutions.

Are you seriously defending his behaviour?
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #346 on: November 18, 2020, 05:09:34 PM »
I'm not defending his behaviour, I'm calling out hypocritical behaviour
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #347 on: November 18, 2020, 07:32:56 PM »
I'm not defending his behaviour, I'm calling out hypocritical behaviour
What hypocrisy? It's not as though what Trump is doing has happened before.

No other sitting president has denied a called election result nor refused the presidential-elect the briefings required for the smooth transition of power.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/11/no-modern-presidential-candidate-refused-to-concede-heres-why-that-matters/
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #348 on: November 18, 2020, 08:53:47 PM »
Pardon him for what?

Gotta love lefties bagging Trump right now when they spent his entire presidency sprouting fairytales of the last election being rigged, refusing to accept a democratically elected leader, rioting in the streets murdering people and destroying businesses.

Hey lefties, your side is just as stuffed as the goon bags on the right.

You're all idiots
I'm not talking about far left or far right idiots on the streets.

The smooth transition of power is one of the most fundamental elements of democracy. In Australia, we have the caretaker period to allow for it. While in the USA, the president-elect should be allowed access to economic, security, health, etc briefings prior to the Jan 20 transfer. Trump is blocking these briefings. He is preventing this smooth transition of power which is a disgrace on its own. Add a 1-in-100 year pandemic which is out of control over there, an economic downturn, and with China and Russia deliberately infiltrating and targeting weaknesses in western countries - and it's sheer lunacy :facepalm.

Trump has a right to ask for vote recounts in close states (which he has mocked anyway because they are only verifying the original result) and even seek legal options provided he has actual independently verifiable evidence (which he has none!). He doesn't have to like the result and can sook on twitter all he likes, but to not concede when the election result is clear cut (306-232) and then block the transition of power is him showing total contempt for democracy and its fundamental institutions.

Are you seriously defending his behaviour?

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Re: International Politics
« Reply #349 on: November 18, 2020, 11:13:08 PM »
Like to see the GOP propose the establishment of an independent electoral commission similar to what we have here....suspect the DNC's response would be most telling... :shh


 
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #350 on: November 18, 2020, 11:27:00 PM »
I'm not defending his behaviour, I'm calling out hypocritical behaviour

ooh yes dont you love that word hypocritical and there are a few on here let me tell you, and especially on the australian politics site. :shh









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Re: International Politics
« Reply #351 on: November 19, 2020, 07:02:24 AM »
:shh :shh
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #352 on: November 19, 2020, 07:11:15 AM »
Like to see the GOP propose the establishment of an independent electoral commission similar to what we have here....suspect the DNC's response would be most telling... :shh

Not sure it is allowed under their constitution Dio???????

Actually pretty sure it isn't.

And despite everything going on over there at the moment I think it still holds true that their constitution is the thing Americans hold most dear. Hence, why they fight to to retain everything in it and won't allow it to be changed
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #353 on: November 20, 2020, 06:36:40 PM »
Well they have the FEC but it only deals with issues of campaign finance.... :shh

...and if the Americans truly hold the constitution sacred, the Dems won't be getting a second term if people like this start influencing decisions: https://nypost.com/2020/11/13/joe-biden-transition-official-wrote-op-ed-against-free-speech/  :shh :shh

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Re: International Politics
« Reply #354 on: November 21, 2020, 04:35:18 PM »


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Re: International Politics
« Reply #355 on: November 21, 2020, 05:35:49 PM »
Like to see the GOP propose the establishment of an independent electoral commission similar to what we have here....suspect the DNC's response would be most telling... :shh

Not sure it is allowed under their constitution Dio???????

Actually pretty sure it isn't.

And despite everything going on over there at the moment I think it still holds true that their constitution is the thing Americans hold most dear. Hence, why they fight to to retain everything in it and won't allow it to be changed
Yep, the electoral college is outlined in the US constitution. It was meant to be a compromise between those who wanted a direct public vote and those who wanted a minimalist approach (parliamentarians deciding who is the president). By the way, that same argument over models was a significant reason for our 1999 republic referendum failing. 


The election of the president and the vice president of the United States is an indirect election in which citizens of the United States who are registered to vote in one of the fifty U.S. states or in Washington, D.C., cast ballots not directly for those offices, but instead for members of the Electoral College.

The Electoral College and its procedure are established in the U.S. Constitution by Article II, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 4; and the Twelfth Amendment (which replaced Clause 3 after its ratification in 1804).

Under Clause 2, each state casts as many electoral votes as the total number of its Senators and Representatives in Congress, while (per the Twenty-third Amendment, ratified in 1961) Washington, D.C., casts the same number of electoral votes as the least-represented state, which is three.

Also under Clause 2, the manner for choosing electors is determined by each state legislature, not directly by the federal government. Many state legislatures previously selected their electors directly, but over time all switched to using the popular vote to choose electors.

Once chosen, electors generally cast their electoral votes for the candidate who won the plurality in their state, but 18 states do not have provisions that specifically address this behavior; those who vote in opposition to the plurality are known as "faithless" or "unpledged" electors.

In modern times, faithless and unpledged electors have not affected the ultimate outcome of an election, so the results can generally be determined based on the state-by-state popular vote.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election

They should have an independent federal electoral commission like Australia rather than one administrated at state & county level. However, the hardcore Trump supporters of the GOP these days would see it as another federal institution that is part of the "swamp" and "socialist". It wouldn't have either stopped Trump still having this massive hissy fit after losing as he would've falsely accused this FEC of rigging the election.
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #356 on: December 15, 2020, 10:41:29 AM »
Biden has officially won the electoral college. 
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #357 on: December 16, 2020, 08:34:11 PM »
Even the Republican Leader in the Senate Mitch McConnell acknowledge it today

As did Putin
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Re: International Politics
« Reply #358 on: January 04, 2021, 03:20:00 PM »
‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’: In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to recalculate the vote in his favor

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html




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Re: International Politics
« Reply #359 on: January 06, 2021, 07:59:14 PM »
CBS News projects Democrat Raphael Warnock defeated incumbent Senator Kelly Loeffler, while the other Senate race remained too close to call.

If incumbent Republican Senator David Perdue can win the other race, Republicans will remain in control of the Senate. If Democrats win both seats, there will be a 50-50 tie with Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, the president of the Senate, as the tie-breaking vote.

As of 1:30 a.m. [ed. 5:30pm AEST], the votes left to be counted were scattered, with some in small rural counties that tend to vote for Republicans, as well as some in the much larger DeKalb county, which has heavy populations of Democratic voters.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/georgia-election-runoff-senate-2021-01-05/

Still too close to call but the giant hissy fit could hand the Democrats control of both houses of congress as well as the presidency.
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