Toby Nankervis [merged]

[Tiger Khosh]

If he gets more than 3. Play them the de goey video and ask them what is the key difference that warrants the extra week. Late bump, collected opposition high resulting in concussion. 3 weeks and if it’s anymore theyre just making stuff up as they go.

[MintOnLamb]

If he had been a second earlier would it have been 1 week?

You need to take into account the a bigger body has more momentum and is harder to change direction/ slow down

[WilliamPowell]

If he had been a second earlier would it have been 1 week?

You need to take into account the a bigger body has more momentum and is harder to change direction/ slow down

Nope, blokes concussed, would most likely still be concussed

So harsh penalty applies

[TigerLand]

Will be 3

[mightytiges]

Should be 3 based on previous cases this year but I won't be surprised if the AFL wants 4-5. Mansell got 3 just for turning his body and protecting himself.

[Tiger_In_Sicily]

My gut feeling is he will get 4

[WilliamPowell]

I reckon he will get 3

Goes in pleads guilty,  is remorseful

Get it over quickly

Think the tribunal will sit Tuesday 

Nank has the annual player sponsors' dinner to get to 

[one-eyed]

SEND OFF? BUGGER OFF

Scott Gullan
HeraldSun
9 July 2023

It’s almost starting to merge into the bring back State-of-Origin areas which we must stress are yawn-fest areas.

The regular debate about a send-off rule surfaced again on Thursday night after Richmond’s co-captain Toby Nankervis took out Sydney’s Jake Lloyd.

Lloyd was ruled out for the rest of the game through concussion while Nankervis went on to play a key role in the Tigers close win.

It was good fodder for the pro send-off brigade as it gives them the opportunity to throw up two or three instances from the past 12 months where a team has been disadvantaged by a player who had committed a reportable offence.

Nankervis will get three weeks at the tribunal and fair enough but do you think it’s going to get to the point where it becomes a tactic to take out one of the opposition’s guns and just live with the consequences later on.

We’re well past that and isn’t this the main reason why we have substitutes now. Sydney weren’t a man down for the rest of the game, yes they lost a key player who was replaced by a less credentialed one but introducing equalisation methods on the run has too many grey areas.

First of all who decides if the offending act is bad enough to warrant a send-off. The umpires get enough wrong, even with four of them, so they can be ruled out and don’t even think about throwing up the AFL’s review bunker who also struggle to do their main job of officiating goal line decisions properly.

Hawthorn great Dermott Brereton summed it up best: “We are a robust sport, honestly. If we go down this path, what are we turning into? We’re already pandering to the wokeness of the crowd in this sport.”

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/early-tackle-all-the-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-17-of-the-afl/news-story/cddc766d4ba5f31e65a2ae9f6381d848

[one-eyed]

"Instead of saying that's his strength and that's what he brings, how about a sorry?"

Kane Cornes calls out Andrew McQualter over his response to Toby Nankervis' brutal bump on Jake Lloyd.

WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1677844835112480768

[camboon]

No mention of the question that he answers, mmm deceitful ?

[one-eyed]

Phillips' high bump on O'Brien in the Ess vs Adel game is similar to Nank's. Only difference is O'Brien wasn't concussed.

https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1677954197424328705

[The Machine]

Phillips' high bump on O'Brien in the Ess vs Adel game is similar to Nank's. Only difference is O'Brien wasn't concussed.

https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1677954197424328705

It's the same motion so should be the same outcome.

[one-eyed]

Phillips' high bump on O'Brien in the Ess vs Adel game is similar to Nank's. Only difference is O'Brien wasn't concussed.

https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1677954197424328705

It's the same motion so should be the same outcome.

It should be but won't be. The MRO/Tribunal determines the punishment based mainly on the outcome (whether the player is concussed or not).

[one-eyed]

IS A SEND-OFF RULE NEEDED IN THE AFL?

Ben Waterworth, Ben Cotton, Catherine Healey and David Zita
Foxsports
10 July 2023

Richmond co-captain Toby Nankervis’ big hit on Swan Jake Lloyd has once again seen the send-off rule debate flare, with AFL great Leigh Matthews spearheading the charge.

Nankervis has been sent straight to the tribunal and faces three+ weeks on the sidelines for the bump that concussed Lloyd and took him out of the Thursday night clash.

Footy great Leigh Matthews - who has been an avid supporter of a red card system being introduced since 2018 - said the Nankervis bump was just another hit to support his argument.

And he explained how he could see a send-off process working in the AFL - albeit with one “tough luck” aspect.

“It’s more about the evening up process,” he said on 3AW.

“It doesn’t have to happen straight away (the send off).

“Toby Nankervis clips him ... you watch the reply. Clearly shoulder to the head. We found out that the player is going to be off for the rest of the game. At that point, at the next break in play, it can be the next quarter break - if it happens in the last quarter, OK tough luck.

“But if there’s enough evidence to say this is definitely a reportable offence, one player has been disappeared from the game, the victim player, so the aggressor now goes from the game as well.

“It’s got to be a definite report - not a maybe. You’ve got to wait to see whether the victim player is definitely out of the game.

“My view of when the red card should be applied - you’ve got to be certain that two things have happened: that the victim player is gone from the game and the aggressor player has definitely done a reportable offence.

“Usually change is instigated by something that pops up in a really big game - ie a grand final.

“If (the Nankervis hit) happened in a grand final, there’d be a fair chance the send off rule might be introduced.”

Anthony Hudson agreed there was an “unfair nature of the game” when a player is ruled out and the offender is allowed to play on and “potentially help their team win the game”.

But he wasn’t 100% confident every send off call would be the right one.

“When you bring video in (to review a potential send off), it doesn’t necessarily take out the howler,” he explained.

“If we do have a line where it’s clear cut, take as long as you need to come to the decision.”

Essendon premiership player Matthew Lloyd said it’s not just Nankervis’ hit that would come under the send-off spotlight this season.

“I’ve always been no we don’t need it (implemented). But I’m starting to come around to the Nankervis, Jordan de Goey (hit on Eagle Elijah Hewett) that could see a player sent off.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-round-17-talking-points-analysis-reaction-results-wrap-highlights-sydney-swans-problems-clayton-oliver-injury-sendoff-rule-dustin-martin-form/news-story/c66e0ffba09f0b09f63aa891cfc16f9e

[one-eyed]

‘We don’t want to be disadvantaged’: John Longmire calls for rethink on send-off rule after Lloyd-Nankervis incident

Lachlan McKirdy
HeraldSun
July 10, 2023 - 3:29PM

John Longmire believes the AFL needs to revisit the discussion around the send-off rule following Jake Lloyd’s concussion against Richmond.

Lloyd was hit high by Tigers ruckman Toby Nankervis during the second quarter at the MCG and was immediately subbed out of the game.

Nankervis will face the tribunal on Tuesday for the incident and is facing three weeks on the sidelines.

Swans star Jake Lloyd spent some time on the MCG turf after this contact from Richmond co-captain Toby Nankervis.

The Swans will be without Lloyd for their clash on Thursday against the Bulldogs due to concussion protocols.

“We lost Jake for that game, and for two weeks, and we lost a goal at that particular moment despite it being in play for a minute,” Longmire said.

“He was almost one of our best players on the weekend up until he went off, he had 10 possessions and was going really well.

“We were hit from all sides. We don’t want an advantage, we just don’t want to be disadvantaged when you do nothing wrong.”

The laws of the game currently include the ‘Order off law’ which is applicable to all competitions except the AFL.

That rule gives umpires the ability to “order the player reported from the playing surface for the remainder of the match”.

Longmire admitted that previously he had been against a send-off rule being introduced in the competition.

However, with more scrutiny than ever around head injuries, he felt that it could be another important layer to help stamp high contact out of the game.

“What’s happening in the game now, it’s changing a bit and particularly the past couple of years in regards to HIA assessments,” he said.

“I understand that the sub is there to help mitigate those challenges.

“With HIA going the way it is, and it’s going through the roof, then maybe it’s worth looking at in consideration. What are the outcomes that might be a positive for the game and take it from there?

“I don’t think there’s a clear-cut and dry answer.”

Opponents of the send-off rule believe that the ambiguity around high contact, as well as the potential to escape suspension at the tribunal, means the punishment would be too high a price on the field.

It’s a point Longmire agrees with. However, the Sydney coach feels contact like what happened with Nankervis shows that certain incidents can be dealt with in isolation.

“How you police that I think, that’s a question that has to be answered,” Longmire said.

“You don’t want to be in those 50-50 discussions and have a player rubbed out of a game and go to tribunal and they’re okay.

“They only have to be the really obvious ones, because if you get in that grey area, I think that’s too big a penalty.

“I’m sure there are smarter people than I who can work through the mechanics of it and assess how the game is changing and how we’ve all got to move with it.”

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/sydney-swans/we-dont-want-to-be-disadvantaged-john-longmire-calls-for-rethink-on-sendoff-rule-after-lloydnankervis-incident/news-story/5395fd3821ed8c4720f30d78dc39c8ae