Toby Nankervis [merged]

[TigerLand]

I agree completely WP.

I love Nank, but his choice as captain was an error IMO. Take Gawn out of equation and find me a successful captain as a ruckman. Don't like dual captains. Both players are injnury prone. It wouldn't surprise me if the club came out and said Nank was carrying an injury, and was selected cause having both dual captains injured is embarassing.

I'd begin a new era, I'd refresh the leadership group, I have said from day 1 that Graham and Vlastuin should be captain and vice captain. I still stand by that. I'd also genuinely consider Daniel Rioli. I love the idea of an indigenous captain with how rich we have been with our indigenous player and academy. I want the best leader though but if it were Daniel I'd be thrilled.

[julzqld]

Totally agree with WP and Tigerland.  I think Nank especially has struggled.

[Andyy]

Re: captaincy

Floss, Baker, Rioli. All good options IMO

[one-eyed]

25. Toby Nankervis

Colossal captain’s game. Made the most of the Lions being without their No.1 ruckman and dominated at stoppages, winning hit-outs and clearances throughout the night. Strong numbers at the end of the game: 26 disposals, 18 contested possessions and nine clearances, while 13 of his 41 hit-outs went to a teammate’s advantage.

Foxsports rating: 9

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76

[Broadsword]

25. Toby Nankervis

Colossal captain’s game. Made the most of the Lions being without their No.1 ruckman and dominated at stoppages, winning hit-outs and clearances throughout the night. Strong numbers at the end of the game: 26 disposals, 18 contested possessions and nine clearances, while 13 of his 41 hit-outs went to a teammate’s advantage.

Foxsports rating: 9

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76

So basically whoever wrote this never needs to be consulted for their football opinion ever again--took a look at the stats and farted a dumbf*ck opinion out their face trumpet. Nein, nein, NEIN!

[WilliamPowell]

Would think that the glaring stat is that out of his 41 hitouts ONLY 13 went to the advantage of his team-mates

And someone thinks is a great number?

I'd give him a 2 and that's being generous.  It was an atrocious game

[lamington]

I still think Floss would make a good captain. I hope he gets the nod next year.

[camboon]

I think he was a 4 or 5 , my disappointment is he didn’t think it through and take advantage of not having a recognised as an opponent . He tried his guts out but if he thought it through and worked a plan with the mid fielders we may have even won

[Gigantor]

Nanks cause certainly wasn’t helped by not having his number one midfielder there for more than half the game

[camboon]

Good point

[mightytiges]

Given Neale dominance at stoppages, I still can't believe Nank didn't try or was at least instructed to try thumping the ball 30m forward when he had a free hit. Neale can't get the footy if he isn't near where the ball is.  It would've also gained us territory and forward momentum as long as every Tiger mid and half-forward up the ground is on the same page and ready for it.

[lamington]

Exactly this. It was 2018 and when grigg went against grundy, grundy just absolutely belted the ball forward and instantly put our defenders under pressure

[Tiger Khosh]

Would think that the glaring stat is that out of his 41 hitouts ONLY 13 went to the advantage of his team-mates

And someone thinks is a great number?

I'd give him a 2 and that's being generous.  It was an atrocious game

I don’t think 13/41 hit outs to advantage is bad at all. The problem was that a lot of the remaining 28 hit outs seemed to be to disadvantage i.e. sharked by Neale.

The game just proved to me what I’ve thought for a while in that the ruck position is the most overrated one in the team. Just need someone who can make a contest in the ruck, compete when the ball hits the deck and provide a marking option around the ground. Nank has mostly been very good in this regard but clearly had a poor game especially with the first 2 items.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I personally wouldn’t give a ruckman not named Gawn or NicNat (if he could keep fit) anything more than 400-500k a year as it’s been proven many a time that a makeshift ruck can do the job well enough. Gawn and NicNat (maybe even Ryder) are the only ones in recent memory who could consistently provide hit outs straight down the throat of their team mates regardless of who the opponent is.

[the claw]

 no blame heading to the mids that allowed Neale and co to be so damaging. Nope it was all Nanks fault.

All of a sudden its about hit outs to advantage. IT HAS NEVER BEEN A STRONG PART OF HIS GAME.
His real worth has been nullifying oppo ruckmen breaking even and then getting to work when the ball hits the ground.

People do realise the only player he went up against who was shorter than him was McStay.

[Tiger Khosh]

Did you just ignore my comment? I literally said I think his hit out to advantage ratio was actually good but the hit outs to disadvantage was what made his game poor. Not to mention the times he grabbed the ball out of the ruck and handballed straight to a lions player or to their advantage atleast. Yes midfielders should also cop some of the blame but doesn’t hide from the fact that nank was also poor.

Also regardless of their heights he was rucking against part timers at best.