Jack Graham that is [merged]

[WilliamPowell]

Personally i dont see a hell of a lot of difference in his game. Still think he has high tackle numbers because he is second to the ball most of the time.

Im happy for him to play as long as he is making a contribution on the inside with contested ball and he wins a few clearances for us.
His pace continues to be a big concern

he is where he needs to be at as a minimum imo.

Of course

[Tigeritis™©®]

First picked in my opinion. Heart and soul type player that leaves nothing but his all. Our game and the Richmond way is built on pressure and creating turnover and this guy brings it more than anyone in the team.

Always plays great in finals too shows how important a player he is. He is built for finals.

I won’t ever forget his efforts to get us over the line in 2019 Prelim.

He is just getting better.

[WilliamPowell]

First picked in my opinion. Heart and soul type player that leaves nothing but his all. Our game and the Richmond way is built on pressure and creating turnover and this guy brings it more than anyone in the team.

Always plays great in finals too shows how important a player he is. He is built for finals.

I won’t ever forget his efforts to get us over the line in 2019 Prelim.

He is just getting better.

 

[Andyy]

Personally i dont see a hell of a lot of difference in his game. Still think he has high tackle numbers because he is second to the ball most of the time.

Im happy for him to play as long as he is making a contribution on the inside with contested ball and he wins a few clearances for us.
His pace continues to be a big concern

he is where he needs to be at as a minimum imo.

Not gifted with elite pace but he has a good tank and gut runs all day.

Still happy with 10 tackles even if he's later to the ball at least he's getting his man to compensate.

And a great pass to Lynch, mintttt

[The Machine]

Personally i dont see a hell of a lot of difference in his game. Still think he has high tackle numbers because he is second to the ball most of the time.

Im happy for him to play as long as he is making a contribution on the inside with contested ball and he wins a few clearances for us.
His pace continues to be a big concern

he is where he needs to be at as a minimum imo.

Not gifted with elite pace but he has a good tank and gut runs all day.

Still happy with 10 tackles even if he's later to the ball at least he's getting his man to compensate.

And a great pass to Lynch, mintttt

Think you are underestimating his pace. When going he is fast

[one-eyed]

The man that never plays a bad game. How about this kick inside 50 from Jack Graham 😍

Champion data records a stat known as pressure points. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2 points.

Most pressure points on the ground last night:
1 - J Graham 102 (this number is ELITE)
2 - S Walsh 61
3 - D Prestia 60

41/46 players finished under 50 pressure points.

Graham recorded 41 pressure acts last night.

Pressure acts in AFL games for Richmond (since 2012):
44 - Jack Graham
43 -
42 - Jack Graham
41 - Jack Graham x2, Trent Cotchin
40 - Trent Cotchin
39 - Jack Graham x4
38 - Jack Graham x2
37 - Jack Graham x2
36 - Jack Graham x2

This stat via @jaidenpopowski 👑
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[Tiger Khosh]

Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts…….

[The Machine]

When fresh, he has top level speed. Most of the game, and due to his gut running throughout, he doesn't have that top level speed left in the tank. Far from slow

[Willy]

I think he’s slow off the mark but quick once he gets going.

[Tigeritis™©®]

I think he’s slow off the mark but quick once he gets going.

Spot on. He’s like a Mac truck slow take off but try stopping him when he’s got full momentum. 

[lamington]

I think people overemphasise how important down the line running is. Quick decision making can also make a player appear fast as well.

Think of the speedsters we used to have (eg. Menadue) and they couldn’t influence the game at all. Of course there’s a limit (like Ivan Maric when we played him on one knee) but good tackling pressure, the ability to actually lay a tackle and good decision making for me is more important than pure speed

[the claw]

Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts…….

You don't know how close to the truth you are.
 his stats mostly correlate that.

Whats the minimum standard. Well a mid  with plenty of midfield time  needs to get 20  disposals minimum to pass muster.
88 games in he has 21 games where he has 20 plus disposals.

Most occasions when his numbers are below 20 disposals his tackle numbers are 9 or more. mostly when his disposal numbers are 20 plus his tackle numbers drop this clearly suggests far too often he is not getting first hands on the ball and is forced to tackle.
Thats all good he is always competing and supporters love him for it but 41 pressure acts means what exactly.

His uncontested ball compared to contested ball is  way lobsided and his clearance numbers are very poor.
I understand when he is beaten to the ball which is too often he lays tackles no one is knocking his work rate but i would prefer he won more ball and to do that he has to get his hands on it first.
Finally if people dont think he is slow well all i can suggest is  you look a tad closer.

[The Machine]

Will say it again, when you're a running machine like Jack, you can't show your top end speed as much as others can due to their reduced kilometers per game. When fresh, he does have top end speed which he had displayed multiple times

[The Machine]

In 2020, Jack was clocked: Jack Graham, 34.2 km/h v Adelaide, round 18. Faster than:
Oleg Markov, 33.9 km/h v Essendon, round 13
Noah Balta, 33.9 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett, 33.4 km/h v Geelong, round 17

Not bad for a snail...

[Broadsword]

Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts…….

Whats the minimum standard. Well a mid  with plenty of midfield time  needs to get 20  disposals minimum to pass muster.

This is an arbitrary axiom. Did you choose 20 because it's a multiple of 10?

In the 2020 Preliminary Final against Port, one of our greatest ever wins (imo), only Dustin Martin had more than 20 disposals (21, 1 tackle), so I guess the midfield was terrible that day.

I don't accept your axiom so I don't accept the argument that follows from it.

Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts…….

Finally if people dont think he is slow well all i can suggest is  you look a tad closer.

"If you don't agree with me I suggest you agree with me."