KB slams effort and attitude of Richmond playing group in 2016 (H-Sun)

[lamington]

My take on it is the 2016 game plan was rehashed 2015 (keepings off as some posters alluded to) and every club had a strategy to counter that strategy. Most damning though was we didn't have the personnel to run and spread because of the players we had at our disposal but probably didn't train for it because the players always looked lost when they set up zones.

[Penelope]

and that has what to do with keeping players in that follow the game plan and dropping those that dont?

Because the players heart is not in it.

I think Hardwick is teetering on the edge of losing the playing group (IMHO), they certainly didn't seem to have much passion in the last 4 games of the year.

But happy to be proven wrong next year.

Are you suggesting that some players deliberately dont execute the game plan?

I think there is alot discussed about a game plan and IMO it looks like players are not executing the game plan, because there isnt a game plan.  Keepings off isnt a game plan.

just because you cant see something it doesn't mean that it doesnt exist

[FlashGordon]

and that has what to do with keeping players in that follow the game plan and dropping those that dont?

Because the players heart is not in it.

I think Hardwick is teetering on the edge of losing the playing group (IMHO), they certainly didn't seem to have much passion in the last 4 games of the year.

But happy to be proven wrong next year.

Are you suggesting that some players deliberately dont execute the game plan?

I think there is alot discussed about a game plan and IMO it looks like players are not executing the game plan, because there isnt a game plan.  Keepings off isnt a game plan.

just because you cant see something it doesn't mean that it doesnt exist

Is that the opposite to a mirage, where you see something that doesnt exist?

[Penelope]

one is delusional while the other is arrogant stupidity.

you honestly believe that the coach of an AFL football club would actually not have a game plan besides "keepings off", with all those other experienced football people around him in agreeance?

[FlashGordon]

one is delusional while the other is arrogant stupidity.

you honestly believe that the coach of an AFL football club would actually not have a game plan besides "keepings off", with all those other experienced football people around him in agreeance?

No, I honestly believe that the coach of an AFL team should have a game plan, the issue is I also honestly believe we dont have an AFL coach at the helm.  its pretty obvious that right now the only reason the coach remained was because of the extension and the fiscal hit the club would have had to take, couple with the upcoming election.  So we are going to basically tread water with a dead man walking coach, who knows quite clearly that he has a used by date, get some games into youngsters and ready the list for the next appointment.  If you think otherwise that can be constituted as delusional or might even reach the heights of sutpidity

[Penelope]

That would be all well and good it i was asking if you think there is no game plane.

Most of that dribble i havnt even discussed, and is on complete different tangent to what i asked, so how you would think you know what i believe is bewildering

[YellowandBlackBlood]

and that has what to do with keeping players in that follow the game plan and dropping those that dont?

Because the players heart is not in it.

I think Hardwick is teetering on the edge of losing the playing group (IMHO), they certainly didn't seem to have much passion in the last 4 games of the year.

But happy to be proven wrong next year.

The problem we have is that we complain when we win useless games at the end of the year and we complain when we lose them by saying the coach has lost the group.....

I think you are mixing up losing and getting reamed by 100+. Not to mention that the complaints are more about the standard of footy, or lack of any standard.  Our problem is that there is to much comfort afforded personnel whp get paid well,  and they have a laugh at the next insipid effort, when supporters who have put up their hard earned to pay their salaries are laughed at by the wider footy public for once again being bent over.

Players were already thinking of their end of season trips. Not good enough? Definitely. Embarrassing? Yes. Important? Not so sure.We have quickly moved on from there I hope. Our start to this year will tell us how important that ending was. Time will definitely tell.

It will be evident before the start of the year.  Things were going pear shaped well before R1 this year, to the extent where we suffered the embarrassment of the coach asking for a game to be called off.  That was the pre-cursor to what he was going to offer the playing group.

100% agree on that.

[FlashGordon]

That would be all well and good it i was asking if you think there is no game plane.

Most of that dribble i havnt even discussed, and is on complete different tangent to what i asked, so how you would think you know what i believe is bewildering

Ooops yeah, sorry, no i dont think there is anything remotely like a game plan and it showed. The issue is that to have a game plan you need concrete anchors to underpin it, ie a ruck man that will tap the ball to a spot and succeed x% the time, or have a KPP who will take a contested mark x% of the time or hit up and take a mark x% of the time.  We had nothing remotely like that and what we witnessed was a desperate attempt to seem like we did have a plan. It was that bad, that it even touched on tanking.  So to cut to the chase, if we actually did have a game plan then we are in real deep poo, because whover hatched it, thought they had the personnel there to execute it, which is a huge concern.

P.S your question was "you honestly believe that the coach of an AFL football club would actually not have a game plan besides "keepings off",...my answer was, I honestly believe that the coach of an AFL team should have a game plan, the issue is I also honestly believe we dont have an AFL coach at the helm. 
I will amend that to make it easier for you to understand to:
I honestly believe that the coach of an AFL team should have a game plan and by and large most do, the issue is I also honestly believe we dont have an AFL coach at the helm so keepings off is all we have as a game plan.

[Penelope]

finally, the penny drops

if we actually did have a game plan then we are in real deep poo, because whover hatched it, thought they had the personnel there to execute it, which is a huge concern.

why do you think they changed over a few assistants?

[Diocletian]

Because they couldn't afford to sack the head idiot and pay him out?

[FlashGordon]

finally, the penny drops

if we actually did have a game plan then we are in real deep poo, because whover hatched it, thought they had the personnel there to execute it, which is a huge concern.

why do you think they changed over a few assistants?

It was obvious to alot of supporters during the year that they were found wanting on game day    After they were on the cusp of top 4 reaching finals 3 times in 3 years and locked and loaded and according to our coach with the best list he has had in his time   

[Yeahright]

I remember our "keepings off" game plan getting everyone all excited and frisky when we knocked off Hawthorn and how enthusiastic everyone was for finals. How times change

[Diocletian]

Some supporters always knew that "big boy month" is September, not June...Hawthorn have also always known this...

[Penelope]

Because they couldn't afford to sack the head idiot and pay him out?

partially, but for some reason it seems that the powers that be think that the reason that the players were not capably of executing the game plan was the assistants.

While there probably is some merit to that, it is unlikely to be wholly and solely the problem

[Yeahright]

Some supporters always knew that "big boy month" is September, not June...Hawthorn have also always known this...

Don't doubt this but I think it was in August