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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 03:10:38 AM »
Fox Footy's Top 20:

1. Rayner
2. Higgins
3. Davies-Uniacke
4. D.Fogarty
5. Sutherland
6. Cerra
7. Brander
8. Stephenson
9. Coffield
10. Dow
11. Naish
12. Constable
13. Hayes
14. Allen
15. Ballenden
16. Garner
17. Brayshaw
18. Naughton
19. James Worpel     Midfield,             Ht 185cm, Wt 84kg         Geelong/Vic Country
20. Balta


https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2017-draft-board-power-rankings-top-20-prospects-after-2017-under-18-national-carnival/news-story/6a6f4c20556830f0162232c775e2ac33

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 06:50:37 PM »
Draft analysis: Who's hot? Who needs to lift?

afl.com.au
7 July 2017



THE END of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships gives us a chance to take stock of where things sit with this year's draft pool. Here are a few key questions surrounding the 2017 crop.

How's it shaping up?

It is set to be a draft dominated early by midfielders and smaller types, with a few taller prospects thrown in as first-round picks. Recruiters have different takes on the strength of this year's pool, but it's probably fair to say of the top class, more players have dropped back than jumped up across the year.

Some scouts are enthused about the quality of the depth available even if the first round may not at this stage appear as strong as some previous years. Already some are talking about next year's group as being more exciting, and on impressions so far it is looking strong. But the grass is always greener in that respect.

The likes of Adam Cerra, Cam Rayner, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Paddy Dow, Jack Higgins and Patrick Naish are among the leading midfielders for 2017, while Jarrod Brander, Darcy Fogarty, Sam Hayes and Will Sutherland, should he choose footy over cricket, headline the talls available. 

Who enhanced their stocks?


There were plenty to push up the board through the championships. Right at the pointy end, Rayner couldn't have done much more. He started the carnival rated one of the leading prospects and lived up to that, kicking 12 goals and powering through the midfield.

Higgins and Naish were equally as impressive, while Nick Coffield and Charlie Constable were other Vic Metro midfielders to lift their stocks. Smalls Dylan Moore and Gryan Miers used their aerobic base and goal sense to show their traits, while midfielders Zac Bailey, Brayden Ainsworth, Trent Mynott, Ryley Stoddart and Adelaide father-son prospect Jackson Edwards were others to go well.

Of the taller draft hopefuls, nobody increased their standing more than West Australian Oscar Allen, who claimed the Larke Medal after a consistent carnival as his side's leading forward. Allen works hard, is a good mark and converts his chances. Teammate Aaron Naughton, a key defender who was named WA's MVP, also pushed his name into top-20 considerations.

Harrison Petty was reliable as a key defender for South Australia, and Jordan Houlahan's leap and marking strength makes him an eye-catcher who could jump up the rankings in the last part of the year. Ben Paton was the best performed over-ager, having been overlooked last year, to be a consistent rebounder for Vic Country.

Who has more to show? 


Connor Ballenden has had an inconsistent season so far, but found some of his best form behind the ball in the final two Allies games. Hopefully he can take that into the back half of the year with the Brisbane Lions NEAFL side.

Noah Balta and Jack Petruccelle are exciting prospects with real AFL qualities, particularly in their athleticism. However, they were quiet through the national carnival and will return to the TAC Cup keen to show their wares.

Fogarty remains a likely early pick, and is still probably the first South Australian selected. But the powerful 192cm forward couldn't get going in the championships, and ended the carnival in the backline.


Was anyone missing?


Andrew McPherson remains one of South Australia's best players but didn't feature at all throughout the carnival as he dealt with a nagging quad injury. It's a shame, as he's a hard-working, no fuss prospect who can be deployed in a number of positions, including the midfield and across half back. His endurance base is a key trait.

Noah Answerth is another who didn't play at all. Answerth fractured his back in the second round of the TAC Cup this year playing for the Oakleigh Chargers, but would have been eligible to feature for Vic Metro. His size, athleticism and traits as an attacking half-back mean he might still get a shot despite the serious season-ending injury.

Charlie Spargo played the first round for the Allies but had shoulder surgery after that which will rule him out for the rest of the season, while Andrew Brayshaw returned from some soft-tissue issues in the middle of the carnival for Vic Metro. His two games were promising and he could push into the top-20 as things go on. 

How are the academy and father-son academy kids going?


Ballenden started the year as a possible No.1 pick in the eyes of recruiters, but isn't at that point now. He probably sits later in the first round. Tall backman Jack Payne has emerged as a possible Lions academy pick after a solid under-18 academy series.

The Giants don't have any top-end academy picks coming through for the first time in three years, but Jack Powell, Nick Shipley, Nathan Richards and Tom Highmore may get a look in later on. James Bell and zippy forward Jack Hardman appear the best shots for the Swans academy, while ruckman Brayden Crossley, tied to Gold Coast's academy, showed his aggressive streak in a good carnival for the Allies.

Naish tops the father-son group. The Tigers prospect has had a fantastic season and could attract a top-10 bid, such is his run and carry and elite kicking skills. The Crows will continue to monitor Edwards and he has pushed his name into second-round contention, while Tyler Brown, the son of Collingwood great Gavin, has been improving in form at TAC Cup level for the Eastern Ranges. He has plenty of upside.

And No.1… Who is it?


Rayner has the edge at this point. His capacity to impact games in many ways makes him a special talent, and he's lifted at every level this season. It's been the type of year that No.1 picks produce.

Davies-Uniacke is right in the conversation as well. He has plenty of traits that will see him in the top handful of most clubs' draft boards: he's tough, competitive, has a turn of pace, is a big body and has a better engine than Rayner.

Cerra isn't far off, if Brander can continue his form from the final game of the carnival then he could be a show, while Sutherland could tempt some if he goes and blitzes at TAC Cup level from here. But Rayner is best placed as it stands.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-07/draft-analysis-whos-moving-up-who-needs-to-lift-no1

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2017, 09:12:19 PM »
Anyone know much about Ryley Stoddart or Trent Mynott? Both boys from the Eastern Ranges

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2017, 04:06:32 AM »
As of the end of Round 16, we currently have picks 13, 16, 48, 52, 66, 84, ...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-11/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-picks-after-r16

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2017, 09:27:25 AM »
Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2017, 10:20:42 AM »
Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?

If the points add up - yep

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2017, 10:24:52 AM »
Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?

If the points add up - yep

You could but would roughly need 4-6 picks depending on where that are.
Picks above 72 don't hold any points value. The start of the 3rd round pick (37) is roughlr worth 450 points but it goes down hill pretty quick from there.
Start of 4th round is only worth 50 points

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2017, 10:32:16 AM »
Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?

If the points add up - yep

You could but would roughly need 4-6 picks depending on where that are.
Picks above 72 don't hold any points value. The start of the 3rd round pick (37) is roughlr worth 450 points but it goes down hill pretty quick from there.
Start of 4th round is only worth 50 points


If we trade out some players for picks this is the way to go. Miles could get us good return value if we decide to move him on.

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2017, 12:58:45 PM »
AFL draft 2017, best prospects order, list, date, top 10, prospects, bolters, sliders — Draft Watch

July 12, 2017 11:14am
Ben Waterworth
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WITH the AFL Under 18 national championships concluding last week, it’s time to take a deep breath and assess the state of play ahead of the draft.

Prior to the carnival, there was no clear, Jacob Weitering-style Pick 1 standout. That all had changed by tournament’s end.

Several other bolters enhanced their prospects, while a couple may have slid down a few draft boards.

And Richmond and Adelaide fans would be thrilled with their father-son prospects.

Plus we list the first 20 indicative picks (after Round 16) for November’s national draft, which will be held on Sydney on Friday 24 November.

Welcome to AFL Draft Watch, with all numbers courtesy of Champion Data.

THE PICK 1 RACE

Prior to the champs, there was no clear first-pick standout. Then Cameron Rayner kicked 12 goals from four games and averaged 11 contested possessions per outing to surge into Pick 1 favouritism. The Dustin Martin comparisons won’t stop — and rightly so, as his explosiveness, goalkicking nous and ball-winning ability is reminiscent of the star Tiger.

The other on-baller in contention is Luke Davies-Uniacke, who — unlike Rayner but like most of his Vic Country teammates — didn’t have a consistent carnival. The Dandenong Stingray began with a powerful, dominant display against the Allies, finishing with 34 disposals, 10 marks, five inside 50s and four clearances. But besides an excellent first half against Vic Metro, he struggled to assert his authority in the remaining three games. Word is he may have been carrying an injury throughout the tournament.

Jarrod Brander, who’s no longer attached to the GWS Academy due to a re-zoning in March, bookended his campaign superbly and proved why he’s one of the best utilities in this year’s draft class. Against Vic Country, Brander starred down back with 20 disposals, nine rebound 50s and four marks. Then in his side’s thrilling upset win over the Allies, Brander turned the heads of all on-lookers with a massive game up forward, kicking three goals from 16 disposals and nine marks.

THE BOLTERS

Oscar Allen had produced impressive games in the WAFL Colts, but to star on the national stage would’ve pleased on-lookers greatly. Allen won the Larke Medal as the best player of the championships and was named All-Australian full-forward after booting an impressive 11 goals. A hybrid forward at 191cm, Allen now looms as his state’s best prospect ahead of November’s national draft.

The other WA product to enhance his prospects was co-captain Aaron Naughton. The 194cm key backman was the champs’ No. 1 ranked key defender heading into WA’s final game before finishing his campaign in fine style against Vic Country, taking 10 marks from 17 disposals.

A Vic Metro trio also took giant steps. Utility Nick Coffield and ball magnet Charlie Constable are both now in first-round contention after averaging 24 and 27 disposals respectively in the carnival, while captain Joel Garner starred across half-back, racking up more intercept possessions than any other player throughout the champs.

And as the season has progressed, Country’s Paddy Dow has continued to rise up draft boards right around the country. He finished with impressive carnival numbers: 19 disposals, 12.2 contested possessions and 5.2 clearances.

THE SLIDERS


Some believe he’s still in Pick 1 contention due to his size and immense talent, but Darcy Fogarty’s 2017 carnival was well below his best. While the South Australian carried a knee injury during the champs, he wasn’t able to produce a standout four-quarter performance. Should still go in the top 10 though.

Lions Academy prospect Connor Ballenden, however, is probably out of top 10 contention at this stage. The 199cm, 95kg big man had a patchy start to his carnival up forward before pushing into the backline to have an influence as tall intercepting defender. Ballenden is still likely to be bid on in the first round — a bid the Lions are near certain to match — but at one stage earlier this season he was in top-five contention.

It’s certainly not panic stations for Vic Country pair Lochie O’Brien and Hunter Clark, but both would’ve been disappointed with their respective champs campaigns. O’Brien, an outside midfielder with a lovely left-foot kick, missed the first game with a knee injury then played one and a half good matches. Like O’Brien, Clark is still a potential first-rounder, but averaged just 15.3 disposals across the four games.

THE SURPRISE PACKETS

Northern Territory midfielder Zac Bailey was arguably the surprise packet of the champs and was recognised with All-Australian selection. He led the Allies to victory over Vic Metro and averaged 17.3 touches per game in what turned into a consistent campaign.

Harrison Petty and Charlie Ballard were among South Australia’s best players. Petty won his state’s MVP award and All-Australian honours as a reliable tall intercept defender, while Ballard excelled as a tall wingman to average 18 disposals per game. Teammate Stefan Giro kicked five goals and averaged 23.8 disposals to throw his name in the mix.

WA top-ager Brayden Ainsworth, who moved from Esperance to Subiaco at the start of the year to give an AFL career another crack, was his state’s most consistent midfielder during the champs, averaging 24 disposals, 12.8 contested possessions, 6.5 clearances and 4.3 tackles.

POSSIBLE BARGAINS

On paper, Jack Higgins should be in Pick 1 contention. But a lack of height (178cm) plus questions over his improvement ceiling mean he could be in middle to late first-round contention. Should that come to fruition in November, whichever club picks Higgins up will have an absolute bargain, after he booted six goals and averaged more ranking points and disposals than any other player throughout the champs — all while kicking the ball at 74 per cent efficiency. There’s a lot of now-Sun Ben Ainsworth about him, but he wins more of the footy.

Also keep an eye on Andrew Brayshaw — the brother of Demon Angus Brayshaw. The Sandringham Dragon cracked into the Metro side for the final two games of the carnival and was among his side’s best on both occasions, racking up 20 and 22 touches respectively. A natural ball-winner with great pace and a long kick, Brayshaw looms as a late first-round, early second-round steal.

Vic Country co-captain and MVP James Worpel will likely be taken in the second round at the earliest, but he plays AFL footy in 2018. He has a ready-made frame and a knack for winning the footy, while his outside game has improved significantly over the past 12 months.

Top-ager Ben Paton carried his excellent TAC Cup form into the carnival and thrived, winning All-Australian honours after showing off his pinpoint kicking skills and excellent intercept ability. Metro midfielder Dylan Moore racked up huge numbers across the champs, averaging 23 disposals, 11.2 contested possessions and three clearances.

And there’s a lot to like about Brent Daniels. A small forward who can also push up the ground, the Geelong Falcon kicked six goals from his four champs games.

THE FATHER-SON HOPEFULS

Both Richmond and Adelaide fans will be thrilled with their potential father-son picks for this year’s draft.

Patrick Naish, the son of former Tiger Chris Naish, is not just the best father-son prospect of 2017, he’s arguably in top-10 contention. An explosive runner with a booming right boot, Naish was one of Vic Metro’s most consistent performers, booting three goals and averaging 21.8 touches from his four games. Expect an early bid on Naish — and definitely expect Richmond to match it.

Crows fans would’ve been pleased with Jackson Edwards’ very consistent carnival for South Australia. Edwards, the son of Adelaide champion Tyson Edwards, was his state’s most reliable midfielder, finishing with impressive disposal counts in all four games: 23 (Western Australia), 22 (Allies), 21 (Vic Metro) then finishing a team-high 30 (Vic Country). Doesn’t have the same class, but there’s a lot of Simon Black about how Edwards moves around a footy field.

DON’T FORGET THE INJURED

It was a shame we only saw Charlie Spargo play once for the Allies after picking up a season-ending shoulder injury. But Spargo, a ball-winning, goalkicking pocket rocket, has already proven over the past 18 months that he has AFL attributes and the talent to have an impact at the top level. First or second-round pick still.

South Australian vice-captain Andrew McPherson wasn’t able to play a game for his state due to a quad injury, but the no-fuss running half-back is still worthy of at least second-round selection, potentially earlier.

A huge blow over the weekend for emerging SA interceptor Lachie Pascoe, who ruptured his ACL playing for Norwood on the weekend and will miss the rest of the season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-watch-bolters-sliders-and-steals-in-draft-state-of-play/news-story/f179ba0e25081598177760caa2d02524

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2017, 01:19:26 PM »
Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?

you HAVE to use your next pick, you can then use later picks to get the points value

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2017, 02:01:43 PM »
These "experts" are surely all extracting the urine out of Richmond...no way this kid's worth a first rounder.....looks mediocre & soft...have more than enough of that already...
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2017, 02:43:36 PM »
These "experts" are surely all extracting the urine out of Richmond...no way this kid's worth a first rounder.....looks mediocre & soft...have more than enough of that already...

I think in most instances they think he's outside the top 10 but then they look at Richmonds history of top 10 picks in Conca, Oakley-Nicholls and Tambling and they just know we can't resist taking him in the top 10

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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2017, 08:19:45 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2017, 09:50:30 PM »
Will Sutherland has chosen cricket and so is not in the draft.....
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2017, 10:23:20 PM »
Will Sutherland has chosen cricket and so is not in the draft.....

Only pushes Naish up the order :banghead