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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #150 on: November 14, 2017, 02:20:49 PM »
All goes a bit pear shaped after 17.... (K)nightmare draft indeed...
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #151 on: November 14, 2017, 02:47:46 PM »
Coudln't be upset with Balta at #17 - a free hit at 20 and Naish at 25.

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #152 on: November 14, 2017, 03:34:32 PM »
Balta
Brander
Allen
Naish

we party :birthday

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #153 on: November 14, 2017, 03:57:39 PM »
Probably be gone but I'd take Bonar over Brander......would even toss him up with Balta...... :shh
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #154 on: November 14, 2017, 09:56:35 PM »
2017 AFL Draft Club Preview: Richmond

footyprophet.com
14 November 2017


LIST BREAKDOWN BY POSITION:

Key Def   Gen Def    Mid    Mid/Fwd   Gen Fwd    Key Fwd    Ruck     Total
    3             8           9          4              8             3             3       38

Average Age: 25

Players In: Nil

Players Out: Nil

Retired/Delisted: Steven Morris, Taylor Hunt, Todd Elton, Ivan Maric, Chris Yarran, Ben Lennon, Jake Batchelor

Draft Picks: 17, 20, 25, 53, 55

WHAT THEY GOT/LOST:

Nothing. Zilcho. Doughnuts. The Tigers managed to go through the trade and free agency period unscathed, but also failed to bring in any outside talent to bolster their list.

Oh, there was one thing they did get though: the 2017 premiership cup (for those who aren’t following ‘Daily Updates of Who the Reigning Premiers Are on Facebook), and this is probably why they didn’t feel the need to add anything. Likewise, it meant no one wanted to leave the club after such success.

Richmond did well to retain Anthony Miles and Sam Lloyd, who pretty much brought their own footy throughout the entire VFL season. I find it somewhat staggering that a club like Gold Coast didn’t make a big play for Miles – who played just the five AFL games in 2017 – because he is too good to be running around in the magoos.

Speaking of ‘nothing’, some supporters would have this amount of care for some of the players thrown on the scrapheap. Ben Lennon was probably the most surprising of those delisted, but ultimately the former first rounder has failed to live up to his lofty potential since arriving at Tigerland.

WHAT THEY NEED:

It is ironic that Damien Hardwick’s neglect of what many thought they needed was a catalyst for the club’s 11th flag. The disregard of the traditional ‘two talls, four smalls’ in the forward line meant Richmond were able to become one of the best pressure sides in the competition, swarming on opposition defences with their mosquito fleet.

Hardwick’s plan to run with a 22-man small forward line paid handsome dividends, after the short trial of Todd Elton at centre-half forward didn’t go so well. However, as we saw with the Bulldogs in 2017, team’s start to figure you out pretty quickly, and I see a tall forward as a must for the Tiges.

Another thing the yellow and black should look at is another ruckman. With Ivan Maric’s retirement and Shaun Hampson’s unreliable body, it leaves Toby Nankervis and Ivan Soldo as Richmond’s ruckman. While Soldo did an admirable job when he came in to gave Nank a chop-out, an injury to Nank the Tank could spell danger. Shaun Grigg proved to be a secret weapon as a backup ruck, but I doubt he’d be an adequate #1 ruck…

Richmond could also look to get another tall defender, with the two pillars in Rance and Astbury currently on their list along with 2016 draftee Ryan Garthwaite who is emerging nicely. A classy outside midfielder would be another nice addition, and the Tiges appear to have one in the bag.

ON THE RADAR:

The Tigers played their hand well at the trade table to snare picks 20 and 25 for pick 15, giving them three picks within the first 25 (17, 20 and 25)

Ultimately, Richmond’s draft night depends on where a bid comes for father-son prospect Patrick Naish. Many have Naish pencilled in around the 12-25 bracket, but clubs do tend to be more caring when it comes to F/S bids, so I expect a bid for Naish to come after Richmond’s first pick at 17. Here is that classy outside midfielder I was talking about. Naish is just that; possessing a damaging kick and pace to boot. He also has a knack for hitting the scoreboard more often than not, and while he is still fairly raw, he should get opportunities at senior level in 2018. There is a fair possibility a bid won’t fall within the top 25, meaning Richmond could get three top 25 selections as well as the talented Knight.

If he is still available, the obvious suitor for their first selection at pick 17 is Western Australian tall Oscar Allen. While he is probably only tall enough to be a 3rd tall at senior level, Allen excels on the lead, where he can beat his opponents and take the ball at its highest point at pace – a commodity Richmond could certainly use. Allen showed he can compete amongst the best in the pool, being awarded the Larke Medal as the best player in the National Championships for WA, and even made his WAFL debut during the season.

Another possibility for either of these two picks (in the event Naish is bidded on before 25, meaning Richmond will have to use one of their selections as well as re-shuffling others) is filling their ruck stocks. There is word Eastern Ranges ruckman Sam Hayes will slide due to club’s reluctance to pick a ruck early. Hayes is the standout ruckman in the pool and has shown he can kick goals while forward. The two-time All Australian’s tapwork is exceptional and he is very capable following up on the ground winning his own footy. The knock is his endurance – finishing second last in the 2km time trial – but if Richmond are able to snag him with either of their picks in the 20’s, he’ll be a steal.

Tall swingman Jarrod Brander also has the potential to slide and the Tigers will be laughing if he is still there at pick 17. Brander – who was in the top 5 conversation at the beginning of the season – has played some good footy both up forward and down back in 2017, but inconsistency has seen his draft stocks fall somewhat. In saying that, it is unlikely he will still be there at Richmond’s first selection.

If Richmond opt to go the best available, they may have a look at outside midfielder/defender Lochie O’Brien. Similar to his Bendigo teammate Brander, O’Brien’s has drifted on draft boards, but there is no doubting his talent – he oozes class. Athletic tall Noah Balta is another they could consider, who is probably best suited in defence. Balta is one who could be anything at AFL level.

Richmond managed to pull off a steal with Jack Graham at pick 53 last year, so it will be interesting to see what they can do with picks 53 and 55 this year (if they aren’t used to match Naish bids). They have also expressed interest in mature age recruit Derrick Smith from their Next Generation Academy, who is likely to join the Tigers via the Rookie Draft.

http://footyprophet.com/2017-afl-draft-club-preview-richmond/

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #155 on: November 15, 2017, 02:16:31 AM »
Callum Twomey & Michael Ablett on the AFL website's latest podcast have us taking Naish, Constable & Hayes with our first 3 picks.

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On this week's episode:

    AFL Academies manager Michael Ablett joins the show
    The guys go through a top-30 mock draft based on club needs
    Who do they think the Lions should take at No.1? What about the Saints with their two top-10 selections?
    Where should bids come for Patrick Naish and Connor Ballenden? The guys predict where the father-son and academy prospects should fit in

Their mock Top 30 draft

1. Bris - Cam Rayner
2. Freo - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carl - Paddy Dow
4. North - Andrew Brayshaw
5. Freo - Jaidyn Stephenson
6. Coll - Darcy Fogarty
7. St.K - Adam Cerra
8. St.K - Hunter Clark
9. Dogs - Nick Coffield
10. Carl - Aiden Bonar
11. GWS - Ed Richards
12. Adel - Jarrod Brander
13. WCE - Oscar Allen
14. Syd - Aaron Naughton
15. Bris - Nathan Murphy
16. Rich - Patrick Naish [Dogs bid on Naish here which we match with our pick 17 to move up one spot]
17. Dogs - Lachie Fogarty
18. Bris - Jack Higgins
19. GC - Jack Petruccelle
20. Rich - Charlie Constable - gives Richmond the versatility. He's 190cm and All-Australian. Fantastic in the one-on-one contest.
                               Also showed in the TAC Cup Grand Final that he can go forward and kick and goal as well. That was under
                               duress too because he was hurt from the past couple of weeks. Came in underdone after looking unlikely to
                               get up for the game and his first half was really solid. He'd give the Tigers a few different options and
                               a different look. Would be a nice fit for the Tiges and a different player to Naish. A mix in the dynamics
                               with the two kids they bring in at these spots in the draft.
21. WCE - Lochie O'Brien
22. Geel - Sam Taylor
23. North - Charlie Spargo
24. Bris - Connor Ballenden [Geelong bid here and Brisbane match it to move up to this pick]
25. Geel - Tom McCartin
26. Rich - Sam Hayes - with the quality of Richmond's list they can take a risk here on a tall. Hayes is a dual All-Australian which is
                       remarkable coming in as a 17-18 year old. He's 203cm but let's get one thing straight, you are drafting a young
                       tall forward. A Peter Wright type at the minute. Whether he develops his tank and goes into the midfield you would
                       hope so, but if he doesn't you've got a big forward who is elite. Got really long arms and can clunk a ball. He's
                       shown his ability to be a very difficult match-up up forward. At the mid-point of the season after the U18 Champs
                       people had him going in the top 10-15 and some clubs even top 5. His running is definitely an issue. Not much
                       improvement from the start of the season to the end. It's this issue that will make Hayes available at this point
                       of the draft.
27. WCE - Matt Ling
28. GWS - Gryan Miers
29. GWS - Zac Bailey
30. Melb - Callum Coleman-Jones

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/road-to-the-draft
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #156 on: November 15, 2017, 03:07:08 AM »
McCartin at 25 and Balta not even in the top 30...yeah righteo....
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #157 on: November 15, 2017, 03:30:32 AM »
Don't reckon we'd take Hayes if we match an early bid for Naish (which we shouldn't if the bid comes before 17 or 20)

Missing a trick not developing Chol in the ruck....same mistake we made with McBean.... :shh
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2017, 02:31:41 PM »
26. Rich - Sam Hayes - He's 203cm but let's get one thing straight, you are drafting a young
                       tall forward.

No thanks, we know from our resident expert he won't make it

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2017, 06:26:41 PM »
JAKE Riccardi has emerged as a draft bolter in recent weeks after being invited to private testing by at least two AFL clubs.

Riccardi, who featured at centre half-forward and centre half-back for Calder Cannons in the TAC Cup, led St Bernard’s to a breakthrough Herald Sun Shield win this year.

The 193cm utility booted three goals in the shield final in wet conditions, leaving a lasting impression on Geelong at Simonds Stadium.

The Cats are among the clubs who have shown interest in the 18-year-old, who looms as a possible rookie draft selection.

“A few clubs have taken him and done individual testing so it will be interesting to see how they rated him,” Cannons talent manager Ian Kyte said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/localfooty/calder-cannons-utility-jake-riccardi-emerges-as-draft-prospect-after-attracting-afl-interest-in-recent-weeks/news-story/525219fb2caa75c51d523059373a0c8a

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #160 on: November 17, 2017, 04:33:44 PM »
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-matthew-day-chooses-football-after-basketball-chose-him-20171112-gzjuxg.html

Day, who finished school last year, has spent this year off the field obtaining a double diploma in sports leadership and sports development through Swinburne University. The program is also run in part by Richmond Football Club, and he's spent time in classes at the Tigers' Punt Road base. "We brought them the premiership this year!" he jokes.

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #161 on: November 17, 2017, 06:53:05 PM »
Callum Twomey's latest phantom draft guide:

He has F/S Naish at 13.

At our picks, he has Bonar at 17; Murphy at 20; and Ballard at 25.

He's also linked us to Brander (12), O'Brien (15), Allen (16), Hayes (19) and Miers (29).

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Cal Twomey's Phantom form guide: November edition

afl.com.au
17 November 2017


AFTER all those games, all that athletic testing and all of the club interviews, we are finally a week away from the NAB AFL Draft.

It is crunch time for recruiters to finalise their lists of prospects, and the same applies to us at AFL.com.au as we reveal our final Phantom Form Guide for 2017.

This is our rating of the best 30 players in this year's pool. It is not a mock draft or necessarily an indication of where the players will get selected or where bids may come for father-son or academy players.

1. Cameron Rayner
2. Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Paddy Dow
4. Adam Cerra
5. Jaidyn Stephenson
6. Andrew Brayshaw
7. Darcy Fogarty
8. Jack Higgins
9. Hunter Clark
10. Aaron Naughton (+2)
11. Nick Coffield (-1)
12. Jarrod Brander (-1) ... The Giants will take a look at No.11, but he could get through to the Brisbane Lions'
                                       and Richmond's picks later in the first round.

13. Patrick Naish
POS: Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
October ranking: 13
The Richmond father-son prospect had an excellent season as a developing midfielder with great run and carry and drive from the wing. Naish is relatively lightly framed and plays best on the outside, but his ability to make ground for his side, as well as his penetrating and precise kicking, gives him genuine tricks. Made the under-18 All Australian side after a strong carnival for Vic Metro and can comfortably be used across half-forward having proved his craft around goal.

Where does he go? The Tigers will be hopeful a bid doesn't come for Naish until after their third pick (No.25 overall) and that's possible. Western Bulldogs (No.16), Geelong (No.22 and 24) and North Melbourne (No.23) are the biggest threats.

14. Ed Richards (+3)
15. Lochie O'Brien (+1) ... Carlton at No.10 is a slim chance if things fall a certain way.
                                       After that, Richmond and West Coast will have a look later on in the piece.
16. Oscar Allen (+2) ...  He's in the mix for the Giants at No.11, and West Coast would look at No.13 as well.
                                   The Tigers and Gold Coast will also have a look at Allen later on in the top 20 if still available.
17. Aiden Bonar (+2)
18. Charlie Constable (-3)
19. Sam Hayes (-5)  ....  Looks set to drop down the draft board as clubs shy away from ruckmen with early picks.
                                     Richmond will be a chance, perhaps with No.25,
                                     as might the Giants with their pair of second-round selections.
                                     It wouldn't shock if Hayes is still on the board after pick 30.
20. Nathan Murphy (+2) ... Murphy has been invited to the draft so is in some clubs' thoughts as an early pick.
                                         The Pies have watched plenty of him throughout the year and he's in the mix for No.6.
                                         Sydney, Richmond and the Bulldogs could also look at Murphy in the teens.
21. Matthew Ling
22. Lachlan Fogarty (+2)
23. Zac Bailey (+2)
24. Charlie Spargo (into top 25)
25. Charlie Ballard (into top 25) ... Most expect Ballard gets called somewhere in the second round.
                                                   Richmond will consider with its second-round picks,
                                                   while St Kilda, Melbourne and Geelong have also been linked as possible destinations.
26. Jordan Houlahan
27. Connor Ballenden (-7)
28. Jack Petruccelle
29. Gryan Miers .... Depending on whether the Giants go small or tall at No.11, they could look at Miers with their second-round selections.
                             Richmond is considered a chance, while Geelong and West Coast will also be in the mix.
30. Ryley Stoddart

Balta has dropped out of the top 30.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-17/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-november-edition

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #162 on: November 18, 2017, 12:46:15 PM »
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #163 on: November 18, 2017, 01:56:04 PM »
Brett Anderson:
Poor times in 2km for Rayner, Fogarty & Constable. But put a Sherrin out there and they are different beasts. Placing too greater emphasis on athleticism rather than footy IQ is dangerous - IQ wins you more games than not. #AFLDraft

Jesse Caldera:
Brett. Constable failing is brilliant. Tigers can grab him with pick 17, or 20. Brilliant.

Brett Anderson:
Massive Tigers fan too.

https://twitter.com/BAndersonSEN/status/931458897344204800



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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #164 on: November 18, 2017, 10:15:21 PM »
Brett Anderson:
Poor times in 2km for Rayner, Fogarty & Constable. But put a Sherrin out there and they are different beasts. Placing too greater emphasis on athleticism rather than footy IQ is dangerous - IQ wins you more games than not. #AFLDraft
How Jack Graham fell into our lap at pick 53. Clubs before last year's draft thought he wasn't athletic enough for AFL and as a 'man-child' had no improvement left in him. He proved them wrong on Grand Final day  :thumbsup.
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