Rioli signed for 2 years

[big tone]

At the age of 19-20 Garlett averaged 9.4 possessions a game and 1.2 goals. Rioli averages 10.2 disposals and 0.9 goals per game this year....

And one is a first round draft pick and the other was a rookie selection.

[tony_montana]

At the age of 19-20 Garlett averaged 9.4 possessions a game and 1.2 goals. Rioli averages 10.2 disposals and 0.9 goals per game this year....

Careful with quotes like that, reminds me of the time richmond supporters were arguing that tamblings stats in his first 3 seasons were similar to McLeods in his first 3 seasons 

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

At the age of 19-20 Garlett averaged 9.4 possessions a game and 1.2 goals. Rioli averages 10.2 disposals and 0.9 goals per game this year....

And one is a first round draft pick and the other was a rookie selection.

What does that matter? If Rioli will turn out like Garlett or better we will have a great player in our team. Just because Carlton struck gold (and never realised it) doesn't make any difference to us. Are we going to start talking about Essendon picking up Hird at pick 79, Chris Grant at 105 etc etc while other teams picked up duds at pick 1-10? I think what you are bringing up is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is if they will be good players for the RFC. That is all. If Jack Graham stays fit he might be the best of our 2016 picks but Shai Bolton will be still seen as a steal at pick 29.

[big tone]

At the age of 19-20 Garlett averaged 9.4 possessions a game and 1.2 goals. Rioli averages 10.2 disposals and 0.9 goals per game this year....

And one is a first round draft pick and the other was a rookie selection.

What does that matter? If Rioli will turn out like Garlett or better we will have a great player in our team. Just because Carlton struck gold (and never realised it) doesn't make any difference to us. Are we going to start talking about Essendon picking up Hird at pick 79, Chris Grant at 105 etc etc while other teams picked up duds at pick 1-10? I think what you are bringing up is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is if they will be good players for the RFC. That is all. If Jack Graham stays fit he might be the best of our 2016 picks but Shai Bolton will be still seen as a steal at pick 29.

Surely when it comes to expectations, a pick 15 has greater expectations that a pick 100??

I noticed you didn't comment on my midfield comment? Do you honestly think he can be a genuine midfielder? Or was that more a wish than anything else?

[tdy]

Are opposition teams putting more effort into negating Rioli now? Probably. But he has to learn how to beat his opposite number and most players drop in their 2nd or 3rd year until they are strong enough and experienced enough to win their position. He is the future of the RFC so I'm glad they re signed him. He needs another pre season or two.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

At the age of 19-20 Garlett averaged 9.4 possessions a game and 1.2 goals. Rioli averages 10.2 disposals and 0.9 goals per game this year....

And one is a first round draft pick and the other was a rookie selection.

What does that matter? If Rioli will turn out like Garlett or better we will have a great player in our team. Just because Carlton struck gold (and never realised it) doesn't make any difference to us. Are we going to start talking about Essendon picking up Hird at pick 79, Chris Grant at 105 etc etc while other teams picked up duds at pick 1-10? I think what you are bringing up is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is if they will be good players for the RFC. That is all. If Jack Graham stays fit he might be the best of our 2016 picks but Shai Bolton will be still seen as a steal at pick 29.

Surely when it comes to expectations, a pick 15 has greater expectations that a pick 100??

I noticed you didn't comment on my midfield comment? Do you honestly think he can be a genuine midfielder? Or was that more a wish than anything else?

My expectations are that he will become a very good player for the RFC, that's all. He is tracking very well for a second year player. Most second year players have a bit of a lull. How about Carlton giving Garlett away for nothing after he had already shown something, which is in my opinion a lot worse than missing out picking up a top player at pick 100? I think he will be a useful midfielder when he gets his body strength up. Hard to get lots of disposals playing forward pocket. Or do you know of other players that get 25 plus disposals playing that role in its entirety?

[Yeahright]

Hard to get lots of disposals playing forward pocket. Or do you know of other players that get 25 plus disposals playing that role in its entirety?

Don't forget Rioli has spent time on a wing and still struggles to find the ball.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Hard to get lots of disposals playing forward pocket. Or do you know of other players that get 25 plus disposals playing that role in its entirety?

Don't forget Rioli has spent time on a wing and still struggles to find the ball.

Yeah, spends about 2% of the time on the wing.....

[The Machine]

Hard to get lots of disposals playing forward pocket. Or do you know of other players that get 25 plus disposals playing that role in its entirety?

Don't forget Rioli has spent time on a wing and still struggles to find the ball.

Don't get the negative comments on Rioli.

[Yeahright]

Hard to get lots of disposals playing forward pocket. Or do you know of other players that get 25 plus disposals playing that role in its entirety?

Don't forget Rioli has spent time on a wing and still struggles to find the ball.

Yeah, spends about 2% of the time on the wing.....

Yet still struggles to find the ball which is my point. What signs has he shown that he could push into the midfield? Maybe he will but for me he is too weak (that will improve), can't find the ball (maybe it'll improve) and continually falls over (a disease that a lot of players forever struggle to improve). Needs to do a lot before I'm convinced he'll be able to push into the midfield

Don't get the negative comments on Rioli.

Why not? Did you think his game was perfect?

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Sometimes you stretch yourself and pick a player because you think he'll be a gun eventually. Rioli was never ranked at 15 in the draft but he may turn out to be in the top 10 players in the draft by the time he is 25. He was a late developer and came from nowhere to get picked at 15. If we didn't pick him, Hawthorn were ready to pounce at 18 from what I've been told. Hardwick himself said he wasn't ready to play footy last year but they were crying out for a tackling machine in the forward line as we ranked last for forward pressure the previous year, so he played him. I think he is tracking beautifully for someone his age. He is part of a formula that has us at 5th position on the ladder currently. He is doing the job asked of him by the coach. That's all you can ask for.

[The Machine]

Hard to get lots of disposals playing forward pocket. Or do you know of other players that get 25 plus disposals playing that role in its entirety?

Don't forget Rioli has spent time on a wing and still struggles to find the ball.

Yeah, spends about 2% of the time on the wing.....

Yet still struggles to find the ball which is my point. What signs has he shown that he could push into the midfield? Maybe he will but for me he is too weak (that will improve), can't find the ball (maybe it'll improve) and continually falls over (a disease that a lot of players forever struggle to improve). Needs to do a lot before I'm convinced he'll be able to push into the midfield

Don't get the negative comments on Rioli.

Why not? Did you think his game was perfect?

Did i think his game was perfect? Ummmmm no but not a bad game by a second year player. Again not sure why some are so negative towards him. Uncouth

[big tone]

Sometimes you stretch yourself and pick a player because you think he'll be a gun eventually. Rioli was never ranked at 15 in the draft but he may turn out to be in the top 10 players in the draft by the time he is 25. He was a late developer and came from nowhere to get picked at 15. If we didn't pick him, Hawthorn were ready to pounce at 18 from what I've been told. Hardwick himself said he wasn't ready to play footy last year but they were crying out for a tackling machine in the forward line as we ranked last for forward pressure the previous year, so he played him. I think he is tracking beautifully for someone his age. He is part of a formula that has us at 5th position on the ladder currently. He is doing the job asked of him by the coach. That's all you can ask for.

Come on Doc, saying he is "tracking beautifully" is a massive stretch. Anyone who knows anything about this game knows he should have been drop 5,6,7 weeks ago.
Old Dermie was pretty critical of him today without actually saying what we all know he meant.
He kicked a decent goal late in the game against the bottom side playing on a kid with less experience than himself. The rest of his game was putrid.

I'd rather the club "manage" him if they are to gutless to say his is omitted but the kid needs some time in the twos. Especially when we have Bolton and Stengle ready and in form to replace him. Even Menadue has more claim on a spot in our side infront of him.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Sometimes you stretch yourself and pick a player because you think he'll be a gun eventually. Rioli was never ranked at 15 in the draft but he may turn out to be in the top 10 players in the draft by the time he is 25. He was a late developer and came from nowhere to get picked at 15. If we didn't pick him, Hawthorn were ready to pounce at 18 from what I've been told. Hardwick himself said he wasn't ready to play footy last year but they were crying out for a tackling machine in the forward line as we ranked last for forward pressure the previous year, so he played him. I think he is tracking beautifully for someone his age. He is part of a formula that has us at 5th position on the ladder currently. He is doing the job asked of him by the coach. That's all you can ask for.

Come on Doc, saying he is "tracking beautifully" is a massive stretch. Anyone who knows anything about this game knows he should have been drop 5,6,7 weeks ago.
Old Dermie was pretty critical of him today without actually saying what we all know he meant.
He kicked a decent goal late in the game against the bottom side playing on a kid with less experience than himself. The rest of his game was putrid.

I'd rather the club "manage" him if they are to gutless to say his is omitted but the kid needs some time in the twos. Especially when we have Bolton and Stengle ready and in form to replace him. Even Menadue has more claim on a spot in our side infront of him.

Hardwick told us that he would be rested a few weeks ago but has yet to get a rest. When I said tracking beautifully I was talking about his general progress. He uses up a lot of energy with all his chasing, harassing and tackling. At the game it is more obvious than on TV. His class is obvious. Even games like today, he was involved with three goals, had 13 disposals and 6 marks and yet people are still bagging him. Do I think he's made it as a great player? No. Do I think he will become a very good player? Yes. And I am happy to keep playing him to fast track his development even though I think he needs a week off soon.

[big tone]

Sometimes you stretch yourself and pick a player because you think he'll be a gun eventually. Rioli was never ranked at 15 in the draft but he may turn out to be in the top 10 players in the draft by the time he is 25. He was a late developer and came from nowhere to get picked at 15. If we didn't pick him, Hawthorn were ready to pounce at 18 from what I've been told. Hardwick himself said he wasn't ready to play footy last year but they were crying out for a tackling machine in the forward line as we ranked last for forward pressure the previous year, so he played him. I think he is tracking beautifully for someone his age. He is part of a formula that has us at 5th position on the ladder currently. He is doing the job asked of him by the coach. That's all you can ask for.

Come on Doc, saying he is "tracking beautifully" is a massive stretch. Anyone who knows anything about this game knows he should have been drop 5,6,7 weeks ago.
Old Dermie was pretty critical of him today without actually saying what we all know he meant.
He kicked a decent goal late in the game against the bottom side playing on a kid with less experience than himself. The rest of his game was putrid.

I'd rather the club "manage" him if they are to gutless to say his is omitted but the kid needs some time in the twos. Especially when we have Bolton and Stengle ready and in form to replace him. Even Menadue has more claim on a spot in our side infront of him.

Hardwick told us that he would be rested a few weeks ago but has yet to get a rest. When I said tracking beautifully I was talking about his general progress. He uses up a lot of energy with all his chasing, harassing and tackling. At the game it is more obvious than on TV. His class is obvious. Even games like today, he was involved with three goals, had 13 disposals and 6 marks and yet people are still bagging him. Do I think he's made it as a great player? No. Do I think he will become a very good player? Yes. And I am happy to keep playing him to fast track his development even though I think he needs a week off soon.

You keep quoting stats but all that shows me is you are grasping at straws. But if you decide to use stats to strengthen your argument, at least be accurate. He was crap today like most of the last 9 weeks and if you heard the commentary they tended to agree.
Let keep gifting games to players that don't deserve it over other kids that do, because that creates great culture in a footy club.