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Check out the comment by garrybarry. :o

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/second-preliminary-final-richmond-v-gws-giants-saturday-september-23-mcg-4-45pm.1177446/page-2

I like the IanW response.

Spoken like someone who actually knows something about footy.

Interesting the post about only 1200 GWS tickets sold  ;D

AFL website saying now up to 3000.

They might get to 3500 by bounce down.

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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #106 on: September 19, 2017, 07:57:40 PM »
Time for the Tigers to kick on

Richmond's dominance in the qualifying final against Geelong masked that seven players had fewer than 10 disposals.

It was the highest number of Tiger players with so few disposals in a game this season.

On the flipside, Richmond's 92 tackles was the side's most in a game since round four, 2015, when they laid 95 tackles.

Where the Giants have the edge in Saturday night's prelim …


It's likely the GWS line-up will take 35 games of preliminary final experience into the big clash against Richmond.

In contrast the only Tiger with previous preliminary final experience is former Cat Josh Caddy. He played in the Cats' 2013 and 2016 preliminary finals.

… and where they don't


Callan Ward is the only Giant to have played in each of the club's 11 games at the MCG.

The Giants' record at the venue ahead of Saturday night's clash? One win, 10 losses.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-19/stats-files-what-brodie-smiths-absence-means-for-adelaide

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Tigers should be very wary of Giants: Brereton (SEN)
« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2017, 01:11:13 PM »
Tigers should be very wary of Giants: Derm

By Justin Talent
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20 September 2017


Five-time Hawthorn premiership star Dermott Brereton says that Richmond cannot afford to take the GWS Giants lightly in their upcoming preliminary final.

Despite the former Hawk believing that the Tigers' huge home ground advantage at the MCG will be a huge asset for them, with the vast majority of the expected 90,000-strong crowd to turn up in yellow and black, he believes the Giants can cause an upset and book their debut Grand Final appearance.

“I think it’s going to be a lot closer than people think. These kids believe,” Brereton told SEN’s The Run Home on Monday.

“Once they broke the West Coast Eagles, the ability to play football on their terms is outstanding. If Richmond drop off, the Giants will capitalise on that.”

The clash this weekend will set a new record for attendance in a game the Giants have played in, smashing their previous high of 60,222 at ANZ Stadium in their qualifying final win over the Sydney Swans last year.

However Brereton says that for the majority of the Giants players, the hostile atmosphere will not bother them.

“Some young kids don’t give a stuff. They have got a few, make no mistake about that,” the former Hawthorn forward said.

“There are a lot of top 10 picks there that know they’re good. They’ve always believed 'we’re going to make it'.

He also says that he would be pleased for the club if they breakthrough for their first appearance in the premiership decider, having been involved with the club in their formative years as a forwards coach.

"The first couple of years I was going up there, you’d go in there and see them coming in week-in, week-out, they were 100, 120 point lashings and these kids were walking in thinking ‘yeah alright, I know I’m alright compared to other kids my age, but how do we get through this?" said Brereton.

“These kids were walking into the club with their butts dragging along the ground, their bottom lip hanging down below their chest.

“You had to pick these kids up and they just kept fronting up. Now they are really good and accomplished players. They may be the privileged ones taken in the absolute top end of the draft, but they have earned their stripes.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/19/tigers-should-be-very-wary-of-giants-derm/

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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2017, 07:02:32 PM »
Crow, Tiger fans should be nervous says former star Brad Ottens

By Ben Casanelia
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20 September 2017


Triple premiership Geelong ruckman Brad Ottens rates preliminary finals harder to win than Grand Finals given the mental baggage attached to football’s penultimate weekend.

As Adelaide prepares to host Geelong at the Adelaide Oval, and Richmond does battle with GWS at the MCG, the retired Cat says the varying degree of pressure on each side, and the different factors underpinning that pressure creates unpredictability when it comes to determining results.

The Crows and Tigers are heavy favourites to progress to the Grand Final.

“It’s human nature to look forward, particularly the heavily favoured team and while there is a preliminary final to win there is a fraction of your mind that has had two weeks, to not only think ahead, but play the preliminary final over and over in your head,” he said.

“The winning semi-final teams have that broken up by the game last week so there has been potentially less nervous energy spent.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/20/crow-tiger-fans-should-be-nervous-says-former-star/

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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #110 on: September 20, 2017, 07:05:03 PM »
Back to a Saturday forecast of warm and windy with a late shower or two.


Saturday 23 September

Summary
    Min 16
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    Shower or two. Very windy.
    Possible rainfall: 0 to 1 mm
    Chance of any rain: 60%

Melbourne area

Partly cloudy. Medium (60%) chance of showers and the risk of a thunderstorm, most likely in the afternoon and evening. Winds northerly 25 to 40 km/h increasing to 40 to 60 km/h during the morning then shifting cooler west to northwesterly 25 to 40 km/h during the afternoon.

Sun protection recommended from 9:50 am to 2:40 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 5 [Moderate]

http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml

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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #111 on: September 20, 2017, 11:25:31 PM »
If there are showers.... Bring in Miles!!!!!

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Richmond's pressure game the key to beating GWS in Prelim final showdown (H-Sun)
« Reply #112 on: September 21, 2017, 12:08:24 AM »
Richmond's pressure game the key to beating GWS Giants in preliminary final showdown

SAM LANDSBERGER,
Herald Sun
21 September 2017


PRESSURE.

It is the cornerstone of Richmond’s sizzling new game plan.

It is how forwards coach Justin Leppitsch grades Daniel Rioli, Jason Castagna and Dan Butler every week.

“Our main role is to put pressure on for the team and provide supports for the midfielders and backs,” Butler said last week.

“The scrappier it is the better, because we’re always there to pounce and apply pressure and tackle.”

It is what engulfed Geelong in the qualifying final. And here’s the sweet part for Tiger fans - it is the one ingredient preliminary final opponent Greater Western Sydney cannot stomach.

The Giants have received more than 192 pressure points in four matches this season … for four defeats.

Against the Cats a fortnight ago, the Tigers applied a season-best 209 pressure points. Champion Data says that is off the charts.

Unsuspecting Cats players were spooked by the one-sided crowd and ultimately overawed by their opponents.

The number boffins assign a pressure rating to every disposal in every match and that night they were made to earn their keep.

The 2017 season average is 181 pressure points and anything north of 190 is regarding as hot football.

Breach 200 and you are sweating over almost every disposal as a sense of claustrophobia sweeps in.

If the Tigers can replicate that manic brand on Saturday they should be playing off in their first Grand Final since 1982.

The four clubs that have forced the Giants to wilt under the searing pressure are Sydney, St Kilda, Geelong and Adelaide.

They copped 207 pressure points from the Swans in Round 17 (lost by 13 points), 198 from the Saints in Round 7 (lost by 23 points) and 197 from both the Cats in Round 23 (lost by 44 points) and the Crows in the qualifying final (lost by 36 points).

When the Cats fielded their weakest team for the season and applied 191 pressure points in Round 15, they drew with the Giants.

West Coast applied just 175 pressure points to GWS in Saturday night’s semi-final, the fewest by any finalist so far.

For September, it was a timid standard in front of a tiny crowd at Spotless Stadium and that game looms as a far different setting to facing the Tigers in front of 95,000 at the MCG.

Perhaps MCG officials should press play on Queen’s 1982 hit Under Pressure when the Giants run onto the MCG.

Because that they will be.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-pressure-game-the-key-to-beating-gws-giants-in-preliminary-final-showdown/news-story/2e5058293875fe7b6f8d0206020452b4

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Prelim Final: Are small-ball Richmond Tigers revolutionising footy? (ESPN)
« Reply #113 on: September 21, 2017, 12:12:46 PM »
Are small-ball Richmond Tigers revolutionising footy

Alex Malcolm
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21 September 2017


And The Big Men Fly.

That was the name of Alan Hopgood's 1963 play about an Australian Rules Football team. The cover of the paperback version is an image of a Carlton player taking a contested mark. But this September has been devoid of them.

Three of the six finals played this year have featured less than 20 contested marks in total. Eight of nine finals last year featured more than 20, with 34 taken in the grand final. The aerial feats of Tom Boyd (six contested marks) and Jordan Roughead (three) for the Western Bulldogs in the decider were every bit as valuable as the run and dash of Norm Smith medallist Jason Johannisen.

But things have changed so far this September.

What has given rise to this year of small ball? For Richmond, it has been a feature all season and was established to best maximise the particular strengths of Richmond's list - the Tigers opted for a forward line that is built on smalls with great defensive pressure.

"We just try and put on as much pressure as we can and if we get touches and goals then great but all our foundation comes from great pressure," Richmond's Dan Butler told ESPN.

There are no surprises with what the Tigers will bring on Saturday against Greater Western Sydney. Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has described his side's defensive pressure as their "one wood," and they suffocated Geelong in a ground ball war of attrition in the qualifying final and will look do so again against GWS.

Do the Giants go toe-to-toe? They picked a smaller, quicker side against West Coast partly by design to exploit the Eagles' talls, but also due to the injuries to Shane Mumford and Jeremy Cameron.

Coach Leon Cameron was non-committal about whether picking a smaller side made the Giants better.

"Sometimes it does work and sometimes it doesn't, tonight it worked," Cameron said post-match last Saturday.

"Our main focus was being cleaner and absorbing pressure. We were poor against the Crows at absorbing pressure. And then maintaining our rage with our pressure, our tackle pressure. I thought we did that pretty well.

"From that, our ball movement was clearly better than it has been the last three or four weeks and we moved the ball in a manner that probably gave our forwards a better opportunity than what we have in the last couple of weeks. So that was pleasing but it all came off the back of the pressure that we provided."

Giants midfielder Tom Scully said the Tigers' pressure was the best in the competition.

"I think Richmond have set the benchmark of their forward pressure and their pressure all around the ground," Scully told ESPN.

"Obviously they've got a lot of smaller guys in there that are very, very quick and they apply great pressure and it's something that we've looked at. We've played a number of different sides where we've played probably a bit taller up in our forward line and some weeks we've gone a bit smaller.

"On the weekend we went a little bit smaller and it helped our ability to keep the ball inside our forward half and to apply pressure. We've got some flexibility down there and I'm sure whatever way we go it's going to help suit our game style."

There is a case to be made that Giants should attempt to stretch Richmond in the air particularly given that some of their rebound from defence won't be as unpressured as it was against West Coast. The likes of Nathan Wilson and Heath Shaw were able to rebound with impunity against the Eagles but defender Aidan Corr thinks it won't be that simple against Richmond.

"(Richmond's) small forward line for us backs puts a lot of pressure on," Corr told ESPN.

"They keep the ball in their forward half and it makes it very hard for us to ignite our ball movement. That's something we're concentrating on at the moment. You hope for a nice dry day so you can get a bit of aerial power.

"You just have to be switched on. You can't always run it out, sometimes you've just got to surge it out, quicker ball movement, quicker decisions, sometimes you'll have to just kick it out long because you're going to get run down from behind by a small forward."

In such a scenario, the outlet contested marking targets of Rory Lobb and Jonathon Patton become vital.

In fact, there is a case to be made that the Tigers can be attacked in the air - they have only lost two games by more than 14 points this season, with Adelaide and St Kilda taking 25 and 21 contested marks in 76- and 67-point wins respectively.

It might be in the Giants' interests to see the big men fly. Small ball at the MCG might suit the Tigers down to the ground.

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/20762278/are-small-ball-richmond-tigers-revolutionising-footy

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Giants to upset Tiger applecart says Eade (SEN)
« Reply #114 on: September 21, 2017, 12:52:40 PM »
Giants to upset Tiger applecart says Eade

By SEN
21 September 2017


Four-time premiership player and former AFL coach Rodney Eade is tipping GWS to upset Richmond in Saturday’s preliminary final.

Despite the bookmakers marking the Tigers a raging favourite, Eade believes the Giants class and hard edge can rise to the challenge of beating a team in front of 90,000 hostile fans.

“I think they can win,” he told SEN Breakfast.

“I know it was easy last week and there wasn’t the pressure against West Coast, but if they can have their hard-edge mentality and bring that, and then match what Richmond bring, then the Giants cleanliness and talent around the ball and efficiency up forward can beat the Tigers.”

Eade is tipping a fiery opening, headlined by veteran Giant Steve Johnson.

“I love their mental edge,” he said.

“I expect Stevie Johnson to run through someone early and knock a few over.”

In last year’s qualifying final Johnson concussed Swans’ star Josh Kennedy with a front-on bump that earned him a one-week suspension.

The former Suns’ coach expects Leon Cameron to leave out defender Adam Tomlinson as he structures a defence to counter the small Tiger forwardline.

“He played well last week Tomlinson but he lacks the lateral movement to go with a Tiger small so I reckon he misses out,” he said.

“It’s all about balance.”

Eade is tipping an Adelaide and GWS Grand Final in what would be the first premiership decider to not feature a Victorian team since Sydney and West Coast played-off in 2006.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/21/giants-to-upset-tiger-applecart-says-eade/

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Will the Tigers tag Giant Nathan Wilson? (Foxsports)
« Reply #115 on: September 21, 2017, 01:07:17 PM »
Will the Tigers tag Giant Nathan Wilson?

September 21, 2017
Tom Morris
FOX SPORTS


But perhaps the real key to GWS’ chances at the MCG on Saturday rest on Nathan Wilson’s tattooed shoulders.

These are the facts:

Wilson averages just 17.7 disposals per game this year. He’s hardly prolific and nor is he overly defensively-minded.

But the devil is in the detail. From these 17.7 possessions, the 24-year-old Western Australian-product gains more metres than any other player in the AFL.

His 65-metre pinpoint stab kicks travel from A to B like a concord jet. Their difficulty is high but so is the reward when they come off as planned. According to Champion Data, Wilson attempts kicks that are laced with risk more often than any other Giant.

And now it’s Richmond’s problem to counter.

“I think they have to tag this man,” dual North Melbourne premiership player David King told Fox Footy’s On The Couch.

“Wilson’s kicking is next level from the rest of the competition. He’s playing with that genuine football arrogance that we love. He wants contact and wants ball in his hand.

“This is a guy that wants to hit the scoreboard.”

But as damaging as Wilson is, Richmond will not put a hard tag on him. Indeed, they are unlikely to tag any Giant this Saturday.

Consider the way the Tigers tried to stop Zach Tuohy - a similar player to Wilson - in the qualifying final.

Sam Butler spent 34 minutes on Touhy, Daniel Rioli 30 minutes, Jason Castagna 17 minutes, Kane Lambert 15 minutes, Jacob Townsend 10 minutes and Josh Caddy seven minutes.

Tuohy may have had 27 disposals but they came at an efficiency of just 63 per cent. Richmond prefered the team defence model rather than a one-on-one direct forward tag. Tuohy rarely had time with the ball and like many of his teammates, struggled to find options further afield.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2017-the-lesserknown-gws-giant-that-could-end-richmonds-premiership-hopes/news-story/17d418ed63307202aabe8cdbc55dcbb7

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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #116 on: September 21, 2017, 01:40:51 PM »
It's about this time of every match day week you start to question whether we will win and this process of quiet confidence and then despair thinking we cannot cycles through your mind 1000 times a day. 

It's not losing that kills you.  It's the hope!!  Heard this the other week, a great quote


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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #117 on: September 21, 2017, 01:57:55 PM »
Gez there is not alot of love for us this week from so called football experts.It's  like we played poorly against cats.They said the same before that game. :gotigers :gotigers

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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #118 on: September 21, 2017, 02:01:49 PM »
Gez there is not alot of love for us this week from so called football experts.It's  like we played poorly against cats.They said the same before that game. :gotigers :gotigers
The more we're doubted the better IMO.

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Re: Preliminary Final: Richmond vs GWS @ the MCG --- Sat. Sept. 23 @ 4.45pm
« Reply #119 on: September 21, 2017, 02:04:59 PM »
Actually agree with King -  definitely need to minimise Wilson's influence.....
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