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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #405 on: November 06, 2017, 04:06:02 PM »

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« Reply #406 on: November 06, 2017, 05:56:43 PM »
Page 13 today’s HUN
Waiting for Benny to get back from Bali Holiday it seems

HUN have named the sponsor as Bang and Olufsen. Article very clear nothing has happened as yet. All conjecture

Said yesterday I am surprised that so far there hasnt been any residual fall out with sponsor over this saga. No surprise at all that this has arisen

People are naive to think the club havent had to deal with sponsors anger over this. Club would have spoken to every single one of them to ensure they don't walk when this became publicly known

We are talking huge $$$ here and rightly companies worry about how their brand are viewed via their sponsorhip

While I get the arguement it doesnt matter if they walk we will get a replacement easily. Yeah most probably but the cost that will hit the club if they do work will be significant. No guarantee we wil get the same $$ and the B&O one we have for shorts is a one of the better ones

Facts are there is a huge amount of season 2018 Puma merch about to come thorough the doors this month. Lose a sponsor and all that stuff goes in the bin. Then you have to wait for new stuff to come in, in the new year. That hurt the club because it costs the club

So although it is easy to say it doesn't matter, stuff 'em, who cares it still will be disappointing if they do walk and costly

Is she a Bang or an Olufsen ?
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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #407 on: November 06, 2017, 06:27:55 PM »
Nathan Broad's actions seem criminal, yet his punishment is incredibly light

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5 November 2017


In the words written at the command of a mind more sapient; more virtuous than mine: the more you see, the less you know; the less you find out as you go; I knew much more then, than I do now. And how!

The longer I go on, I know less and less. Either that, or maybe it's just that you come to understand all that you don't know, if you catch my drift. You know that hypothetical question, about which superpower you'd pick over all others … I wouldn't pick any. But oh, how I'd love a crystal ball that functioned as something other than an anger management tool.

But perhaps it's just the sardonic mood of the room I'm in. I'm sitting here writing this column (with a fountain pen, as is my wont) in an Italian restaurant on Macquarie Street. As I begin scribbling, the opening bars of Speak Softly, Love hang in the background, wafting from the sound system. It's the height of irony, actually. You'd never identify that arrangement by name. You might however recognise the instrumental, as the title theme from The Godfather. A production hardly known for either soft dialogue or love.

So many mixed messages! And on that topic, can someone please explain to me the outcome of the investigation into the circumstances of the circulation of a photograph, depicting a topless woman, wearing nothing much other than a Richmond player's AFL premiership-winning medallion?

Based on the statements released this week by each of Tigers president Peggy O'Neal and Tigers player Nathan Broad, the latter is clearly the instigator who caused the unauthorised dissemination of a very personal picture of the said woman. In defiance of her explicit request that he delete the photo (and Broad's untruthful assurance to her, that he had). Broad's words warrant direct quotation:

"I take full responsibility for what I have done.

"I sent a very private picture without this young woman's consent. I am ashamed and embarrassed. I made a very bad drunken decision.

"Not only have I let down my family, my friends and the Richmond Football Club, but most of all I let down a young woman who I cared about. A young woman who I spent time with before the grand final. A young woman who I liked and respected.

"I'm deeply sorry for the heartache that I've caused this young woman and her family. It was never my intention to hurt her or her family. By sending the picture I lied to her and broke her trust.

"This young woman deserves to have her privacy respected. To the media … the longer this story keeps running the more suffering it will cause her and her family. I am the one who deserves to be punished but this woman does not deserve any more pain."


For all of this, Broad has incurred the featherweight penalty, of being suspended for the first three home-and-away matches of the 2018 season. No monetary penalty or financial recompense; no "hard toil" in the community. Just three matches, on the bench. That's it.

That's it, in circumstances where prima facie, what Broad's copped to doing amounts to a criminal offence in Victoria, carrying the possibility of two years in the big house. Though a custodial sentence in the circumstances would've been unlikely, this is a criminal act – even in the event the Victorian Police hadn't ceded to the request from Broad's victim, to drop the criminal investigation. That's the prism through which this ought be viewed. Criminal behaviour, against a young female victim, who can't fight back.

A simple Google search brings up various incarnations of the image in question; some redacted, others not so much. The Internet can't easily be cleansed – once an image is floating around in cyberspace, it's there forever more. It's trite for Broad to propound the argument that the media risks prolonging the poor girl's agony, should the story be reported on further. The ignominy of having the photograph in circulation won't just dissipate, in line with the media's future disinterest.

And for Broad to hide behind his apparent drunkenness, as some sort of excuse, is manifestly weak. Yes, Broad ought be ashamed, and embarrassed. But neither emotion ought be allowed to be diluted, just because he was sozzled at the exact moment he pressed "send". And especially so after having promised the lady in question that he would do the exact opposite, and delete the image.

The outcome is potentially catastrophic, for the woman concerned. It's irrelevant that she consented to the image being taken in the first place. And frankly, Broad would come across so much more a man, if he didn't hide at all behind alcohol as an excuse. Just as words spoken or written can't be taken back, for the victim in this situation matters can't easily be put right.

To the sanction: a three-match ban is, in all the circumstances, manifestly light. Yet doubling or tripling the sanction would achieve no more. For it's not about the penalty, so much as realising that no penalty can properly address the "heartache" (to use Broad's words) and devastation that he's caused; and that his actions will likely continue to cause, into the future.

It's interesting in a way to draw a line between Broad's actions and those of the English cricketer Ben Stokes. And for good measure, throw in the brawling by the "Italian" rugby league players James Tedesco and Shannon Wakeman. Tedesco and Wakeman's post-match fisticuffs in a Cairns pub may yet result in some sort of sanction by Rugby League World Cup organisers, though neither combatant seems all that concerned, nor does the Italian Rugby League. It's odd though, how such shenanigans can happen during a world cup campaign. Should Italy qualify for the FIFA World Cup next year, you can't imagine the same goings on in Russia.

Stokes didn't fly to Australia with England's Ashes squad. It's highly doubtful he will be a late arrival, and he most certainly will not be unless the police investigating the circumstances of his late September brawl conclude their investigations without charging him. Recent reports of Stokes defending two men against homophobic slurs as being the catalyst for the fisticuffs might be truthful; they might be convenient explanations. But Stokes' actions remain objectively vicious.

All three situations involve potentially criminal behaviour. But my point is this, whatever Tedesco, Wakeman or Stokes have done, each were fighting against someone who had at least some degree of opportunity – even if not an equal chance – of fighting back.

Broad's victim had no such hope. She was totally blindsided, and lied to. And that's utterly unfair.

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-photo-scandal-nathan-broads-actions-seem-criminal-yet-his-punishment-is-incredibly-light-20171103-gze39c.html

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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #408 on: November 06, 2017, 07:05:20 PM »
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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #409 on: November 06, 2017, 07:42:00 PM »
finally dazza has come to the party. Thank stuff

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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #410 on: November 06, 2017, 11:14:27 PM »
Dazza lost me when he said that he was in a "sardonic mood" and writing with a fountain pen in Macquarie street. W.A.N.K.E.R. Of the highest order. Doesn't know all the facts and from his high position is making judgements. Hate these holier than thou pricks. Get a stuffing life.

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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #411 on: November 07, 2017, 08:48:21 AM »
Dazza lost me when he said that he was in a "sardonic mood" and writing with a fountain pen in Macquarie street. W.A.N.K.E.R. Of the highest order. Doesn't know all the facts and from his high position is making judgements. Hate these holier than thou pricks. Get a stuffing life.

Dazza is a lawyer. Think he is allowed to make judgements from a legal perspective  ;D

Personally thought it was a interesting read

Seriously i don't get the angst just becasue people give an opinion that others dont like. Why resort to playing the man / woman and not the ball

Having read eveyrthing, done some reasearch of the law, spoken / discussed  with numerous folks, taken a step back to take my Tiger coloured glasses off I reckon Broad got off very lightly.

I get peoples want to protect one of their own but it doesn't excuse for a second the legality let alone the stupidity of what happened here

Before the club penalty my view was he shouldn't cop too harsh of a whack but that changed after lots of robust discussion with a couple of people.

There is actually a sentence in Dazza's article that highlights one of reasons my view changed. And it relates to using being drunk as being an excuse. Agree with Dazza it's cowardly but all too common these days. We here it around "coward punches", etc. It is no excuse

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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #412 on: November 07, 2017, 09:02:22 AM »
Careful. An informed and intuitive opinion has no place on OER.

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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #413 on: November 07, 2017, 10:05:03 AM »
Interesting read this topic
If she consented and it appears she did
Who actually owned /owns the photo ?
N.Broad
Big issue were the ones who then re texted it after it was originally forwarded to others
Refer to his well worded press conference
“ please stop from forwarding this pic on “
Have spoken to many involved with “ withholding the law “ and it appears RFC suspension would have more to do with Club and society values rather than breaking the law
Otherwise the police would pursue this matter further is they had a concrete case
Only my opinion
Have had similar issue recently with identity theft with my daughter and have a understanding of who owns the photos etc etc

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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #414 on: November 07, 2017, 10:39:24 AM »
You either accept his apology or you don't . I have been told so does the girl.
If you don't believe that, proof may be that she did not want to press charges when she was under so much pressure to do so.
I would hope that players and others have heard the message that this is not acceptable .
A question , how would anyone know it was her if she handbrake come forward( not saying it's ok)

On another note, why does the AFL seem to think they have the right to be involved in any social issue that has nothing to do with football?


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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #415 on: November 07, 2017, 10:43:37 AM »
Interesting read this topic
If she consented and it appears she did
Who actually owned /owns the photo ?
N.Broad
Big issue were the ones who then re texted it after it was originally forwarded to others
Refer to his well worded press conference
“ please stop from forwarding this pic on “
Have spoken to many involved with “ withholding the law “ and it appears RFC suspension would have more to do with Club and society values rather than breaking the law
Otherwise the police would pursue this matter further is they had a concrete case
Only my opinion
Have had similar issue recently with identity theft with my daughter and have a understanding of who owns the photos etc etc

While I understand your point about photo ownership. No one is disputing she consented for the photo to be taken, that has never been in dispute.

But the main legal issue here is and has always been about the consent to publish the photo, which Broad never had. He has admitted this. In many discussions I have had about this mess it has been made very clear to me from those in the legal know that doing this is illegal, no ifs, buts or maybes.

The whys and why nots pertaining to the end of the police investigation were also explained to me in that if the person who made the complaint withdraws their complaint or ask for it not to continue then the police have little alternative than to drop it no matter how strong the evidence may or may not be. Reason being is that the complainant not wanting to continue means they are not likely to testify in the case if it gets to court; weakens a case rightly or wrongly.

I back my legal friends "advice' on this every day of the week.

Yes the club suspension is likely based around in part society values, respect and responsibility but at the end of the day IMHO it was a light punishment.

We all have a view on it, we are all entitled to have one and we are all entitled to voice it but we aren't all going to agree on it

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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #416 on: November 07, 2017, 10:50:30 AM »
On another note, why does the AFL seem to think they have the right to be involved in any social issue that has nothing to do with football?

Because whether we agree or not, like it or not in this day and age they have influence in society

It comes with being the biggest sport in the country - footballers influence kids that's a reality. So stupid footballers behaving badly is not a good thing

And then there is of course the one thing that we all sometimes forget. And that is they like all sports get funding from govts. Any govt funding comes with conditions, do you not think that sporting organisations are not going to do anything they can to protect that funding

Again not saying it is right or wrong but it is one of the realities of sport
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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #417 on: November 07, 2017, 11:23:39 AM »
Dazza lost me when he said that he was in a "sardonic mood" and writing with a fountain pen in Macquarie street. W.A.N.K.E.R. Of the highest order. Doesn't know all the facts and from his high position is making judgements. Hate these holier than thou pricks. Get a stuffing life.

Dazza is a lawyer. Think he is allowed to make judgements from a legal perspective  ;D

Personally thought it was a interesting read

Seriously i don't get the angst just becasue people give an opinion that others dont like. Why resort to playing the man / woman and not the ball

Having read eveyrthing, done some reasearch of the law, spoken / discussed  with numerous folks, taken a step back to take my Tiger coloured glasses off I reckon Broad got off very lightly.

I get peoples want to protect one of their own but it doesn't excuse for a second the legality let alone the stupidity of what happened here

Before the club penalty my view was he shouldn't cop too harsh of a whack but that changed after lots of robust discussion with a couple of people.

There is actually a sentence in Dazza's article that highlights one of reasons my view changed. And it relates to using being drunk as being an excuse. Agree with Dazza it's cowardly but all too common these days. We here it around "coward punches", etc. It is no excuse

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Prima facie Dazzas comments are correct but he was and is not fully informed of the facts so what he says is conjecture. Simple fact is that Broad was not the only person to text the photo. Not even the first. Secondly the debate is how much damage to the girls reputation was there actually when she wasn't identified. Thirdly she didn't want to make a complaint so there can be no offence, and lastly it was in no way "revenge porn" by the definition of the law.
Morally wrong? Yes. Was it an offence. Could not be proven or even argued on the known facts, and the unknown facts even less so. I have a little information that I won't share on this public forum, but suffice to say Broad was not the only one at fault.

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« Reply #418 on: November 07, 2017, 11:48:49 AM »
I do not agree that the penalty was light.

If Broad was NOT on match payments it would have been very light. However, he is on approximately $6K per match, which means he is being fined about $18K. Add that to the public admission and humiliation that entails and it is about the harshest penalty imposed on a player in recent times. The maximum amount a player can be fined is $5K. Hodge never missed a match for his drink driving and he was actually charged. There were no charges here laid although there was a veiled threat by the police that they my reopen the case.

I think it was an appropriate penalty and Darren Kane has not looked into it well enough to make an informed comment.
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Re: Nude Premiership Medal Photo
« Reply #419 on: November 07, 2017, 11:57:05 AM »
Have to agree with the last two posters.

A lot of conjecture and guessing where the facts aren't known and people as usual carrying on like pork chops with the righteous fury of the political correct society we live in.

On a side note I hope Broad is doing Ok, this would be taking a toll on him and is only exacerbated by the idiots in the media and social media.