Ben Miller [merged]

[Diocletian]

How was his actual defending though - you know his primary role?nI mean compared to Young he looked like Rance ...but still.......

[WilliamPowell]

19 disposals (14 kicks) 100% efficiency 

For the time he was on Waterman he was ineffective, gave away frees.

The disposals mean very little TBBH.

Yes he's improved but he was like the majority of his team mates poor

[Francois Jackson]

He was a shocker. Absolutely hopeless.

[mat073]

The entire backline was under pressure once the dam wall burst in the second quarter.

[Tigeritis™©®]

How was his actual defending though - you know his primary role?nI mean compared to Young he looked like Rance ...but still.......

I thought he was serviceable and still was able to remain calm amidst the chaos of having the ball coming inside the defensive 50 especially in the third qtr when it came in 19 times compared to our 3.
We were unable to take territory in the second half, only having 34% of this time spent in our forward half, as well as having 26 fewer inside 50s.

On top of this he had 7 interceptions.

If there is no pressure up the field on the ball carrier and the opposition is just allowed to send the ball in lace out to their forwards, even the greatest defenders and defensive structures will struggle to stop it (ie. 2018 prelim final) 

Without him down there it would have been massively worse than it was.

Miller doesn't panic and he makes good decisions majority of the time which is great because his skills are very good.

[Tigeritis™©®]

He was a shocker. Absolutely hopeless.

How?

What could have he done differently?

[camboon]

Thought he was reasonable , with WC mids having a birthday against our kids it’s no wonder they were giving silver service

[the claw]

How was his actual defending though - you know his primary role?nI mean compared to Young he looked like Rance ...but still.......

This. Lots of times it seemed he should have gone in the air but didnt. Thought his one v one work left a fair bit to be desired.

Tylar Young well he is just above vfl standard and should only be playing when injuries occur which we have.

Totally unimpressed with Kossie Just does not take marks. maybe its last chance saloon and we try him down back while the options are so limited could he be any worse than Young there.

[the claw]

Reckon the big difference between them and us is they have stayed active with trades and not just targeted older players.
They have somehow managed while finishing high on the ladder managed to stay in national drafts.

Think the Max Holmes draft. They identified a talent and traded for the pick to get him ours by the way. When was the last time we did that.

Bowes Henry Bruhn not talking about what quality they are Geelong traded em in and at an age where they were still young.
They have in common the fact they were highly rated juniors and early draft picks in their original draft.

In the last 3 or 4 years they have managed to draft or trade for 7 players who were  originally top 20 picks and they were all taken  aged 20 or less with the exception of Bowes who was 24  at the time of trade.
Add to that they still found the picks to draft a high quality player like Cameron who was i think 27 at the time of drafting at the end of 2020..

Once success started i reckon even subconciously we stopped planning for the future to a large degree. It was all good we would drag every last drop of blood out of the group we had, and just ignore real needs. Needs  that if addressed would have enabled us to stay up or at worst have a reasonable amount of the pieces of the puzzle in place for succession.

[Francois Jackson]

Reckon the big difference between them and us is they have stayed active with trades and not just targeted older players.
They have somehow managed while finishing high on the ladder managed to stay in national drafts.

Think the Max Holmes draft. They identified a talent and traded for the pick to get him ours by the way. When was the last time we did that.

Bowes Henry Bruhn not talking about what quality they are Geelong traded em in and at an age where they were still young.
They have in common the fact they were highly rated juniors and early draft picks in their original draft.

In the last 3 or 4 years they have managed to draft or trade for 7 players who were  originally top 20 picks and they were all taken  aged 20 or less with the exception of Bowes who was 24  at the time of trade.
Add to that they still found the picks to draft a high quality player like Cameron who was i think 27 at the time of drafting at the end of 2020..

Once success started i reckon even subconciously we stopped planning for the future to a large degree. It was all good we would drag every last drop of blood out of the group we had, and just ignore real needs. Needs  that if addressed would have enabled us to stay up or at worst have a reasonable amount of the pieces of the puzzle in place for succession.

2 players you mentioned here tonight Claw, Bowes Bruhn. Both killed it tonight. Henry kicked a few as well and cost them peanuts.

Wells is an absolute gun and Mackie is heading down the same road. Cats have played this very well. Good luck to them.

I feel not only our players have given up the fight as there isn't much left to play for i believe our whole administration has. They have fallen asleep when it was clear to a blind man we were cooked by 2021. That was ratified after losing that elimination final.

[Diocletian]

Been poor this year so far but was much better tonight I thought...

[The Machine]

Ben has gone from a reserve player to starting CHB and is performing extremely well. He is elite in one on one contests and his field kicking is also elite. With the amount of ball being played in our backline coupled with a lack of tall support- he has been a shining light. 

[Wazza]

Ben has gone from a reserve player to starting CHB and is performing extremely well. He is elite in one on one contests and his field kicking is also elite. With the amount of ball being played in our backline coupled with a lack of tall support- he has been a shining light. 

Agree. Miller is improving every week. He looks much better with young out of the way.

[mat073]

Ben will look even better when our midfield isn’t getting rag dolled on a regular basis.

[Diocletian]

Agree. Miller is improving every week. He looks much better with young out of the way.

The entire back line is better when Young's not there...but yeah Miller in particular seems to benefit from his absence..