There are some terrible sides this year that don't look like winning a game unless they are playing each other - St Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane and Suns. Even the Dogs are poor as they are playing a young team. Usually that means you need to win more games than usual to reach the finals and the top end of the ladder. It won't surprise me that teams will need 13 wins to play finals and possibly 16 wins to get into the top 4.