Caronavirus - COVID 19

[1965]

As if we didn't have enough to worry about.


https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/aug/17/theres-no-way-wed-go-back-will-covid-19-end-free-wine-tastings-forever

[Francois Jackson]

another thing which seems to be forgotten here, is the tragedy of the small business sector, suicides, job losses during this second covid wave etc

Be nice if Dan fronts the media today during his usual covid number release, and tell us how those stats are tracking in his home state.

[Andyy]

On a side note, was anyone taking issue with the lack of ADF support before the second wave actually happened?

[WilliamPowell]

another thing which seems to be forgotten here, is the tragedy of the small business sector, suicides, job losses during this second covid wave etc

Be nice if Dan fronts the media today during his usual covid number release, and tell us how those stats are tracking in his home state.

He's actually been asked about this a few times at the pressers; especially the mental health toll (including the suicides). The numbers are being put together; they are gathering information from an number of mental health services to put the data together. I note that hasn't been reported in the media (not that i have seen).

Yesterday they had someone at the presser to speak about family violence during the pandemic (can't remember her name and her official tilte), it was scary the numbers she gave around people looking for help at the moment... not sure if any of that's in today's papers?

On job losses, IIRC this covered by the State Treasurer last week

***Not the above is not an opinion, just what I've been hearing while listening to the presser each day and reading the papers. I won't be giving an opinion***

[Francois Jackson]

another thing which seems to be forgotten here, is the tragedy of the small business sector, suicides, job losses during this second covid wave etc

Be nice if Dan fronts the media today during his usual covid number release, and tell us how those stats are tracking in his home state.

He's actually been asked about this a few times at the pressers; especially the mental health toll (including the suicides). The numbers are being put together; they are gathering information from an number of mental health services to put the data together. I note that hasn't been reported in the media (not that i have seen).

Yesterday they had someone at the presser to speak about family violence during the pandemic (can't remember her name and her official tilte), it was scary the numbers she gave around people looking for help at the moment... not sure if any of that's in today's papers?

On job losses, IIRC this covered by the State Treasurer last week

***Not the above is not an opinion, just what I've been hearing while listening to the presser each day and reading the papers. I won't be giving an opinion***

I'm talking about giving us the numbers every day, not a few token mentions in his daily garbage spill. Small businesses are left in the outer in this state. Take the public holiday as an example. What a load of garbage. You would think it would be wise to hold off on that, but no lets kick them while they are already down. (has no effect on me by the way)

This second wave has caused just as much deaths and destruction than covid, if not more. I wish it is acknowledged every day so more people show those guys the level of respect they deserve.

I heard Pallas and he was repeating what i think hunt had mentioned earlier. What i did hear though from pallas in that audio was no accountability. Worst treasurer in the country.

[WilliamPowell]

I'm talking about giving us the numbers every day, not a few token mentions in his daily garbage spill. Small businesses are left in the outer in this state. Take the public holiday as an example. What a load of garbage. You would think it would be wise to hold off on that, but no lets kick them while they are already down. (has no effect on me by the way)

This second wave has caused just as much deaths and destruction than covid, if not more. I wish it is acknowledged every day so more people show those guys the level of respect they deserve.

I heard Pallas and he was repeating what i think hunt had mentioned earlier. What i did hear though from pallas in that audio was no accountability. Worst treasurer in the country.

I get your angst and your point

And I ask this question not get into a debate with you because you know I will no longer engage in political debate on this forum with anyone

But because it is relevant

But do you actually listen to the daily pressers or just go by what's reported in the media? You know the grabs the run with? Or do you listen to part of the pressers and then drop off during it

Personally, I've given up on how this is getting reported by all of the media. Right wing, left wing, socialist, TV, print or whatever the lack of full disclosure reporting is shocking. So much that is important they either miss or refuse to acknowledge

So now wherever possible I listen to Andrews' daily pressers, ScoMo's pressers, even tune into Gladys (NSW) pressers just to get all the detail, hear all the questions and answers given rather the selective bits the media deem worth reporting

Even had a listen to a bit the Hotel Quarantine Inquiry yesterday and today

[1965]

Don't tell me that the Federal government isn't culpable for the aged care deaths.


https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/government-received-aged-care-workforce-warning-months-ago-20200819-p55nb0.html



Federal authorities were told four months ago aged care centres would struggle to find staff in a coronavirus outbreak, with a confidential report listing the urgent lessons from the first wave of infection.


The federal report warned of problems in keeping staff, recruiting agency nurses and sending residents to hospital during the nation's first major COVID-19 outbreak in an aged care home.



But the report was kept confidential after it was handed to federal authorities on April 14 and was only made public in recent days after being lodged with the royal commission into aged care.


The report into Dorothy Henderson Lodge, the Sydney centre where six residents died from coronavirus, revealed the workforce pressures months before the same problems took authorities by surprise in Victoria

[Chuck17]

The Federal government isn't culpable for the aged care deaths.

[1965]

The Federal government isn't culpable for the aged care deaths.

A shared culpability at least.

[1965]

Minister Colbeck is currently before the Senate Select committee. (Live on ABC24)

Safe to say this is a train wreck.

[Francois Jackson]

I'm talking about giving us the numbers every day, not a few token mentions in his daily garbage spill. Small businesses are left in the outer in this state. Take the public holiday as an example. What a load of garbage. You would think it would be wise to hold off on that, but no lets kick them while they are already down. (has no effect on me by the way)

This second wave has caused just as much deaths and destruction than covid, if not more. I wish it is acknowledged every day so more people show those guys the level of respect they deserve.

I heard Pallas and he was repeating what i think hunt had mentioned earlier. What i did hear though from pallas in that audio was no accountability. Worst treasurer in the country.

I get your angst and your point

And I ask this question not get into a debate with you because you know I will no longer engage in political debate on this forum with anyone

But because it is relevant

But do you actually listen to the daily pressers or just go by what's reported in the media? You know the grabs the run with? Or do you listen to part of the pressers and then drop off during it

Personally, I've given up on how this is getting reported by all of the media. Right wing, left wing, socialist, TV, print or whatever the lack of full disclosure reporting is shocking. So much that is important they either miss or refuse to acknowledge

So now wherever possible I listen to Andrews' daily pressers, ScoMo's pressers, even tune into Gladys (NSW) pressers just to get all the detail, hear all the questions and answers given rather the selective bits the media deem worth reporting

Even had a listen to a bit the Hotel Quarantine Inquiry yesterday and today

There is no angst its calling out incompetence within this state, and the flow on effect its having.

I do find it amusing that you would suggest i dont listen to to what they have to say. I listen to most of what they have to say including this inquiry. In andrews case its becoming less and less as there is no point when its baseless lies coming out so i tend to switch off.

Take yesterdays developments as an example. Andrews is found to have lied again when he said most people did the wrong thing and weren't home, yada yada yada a fact disputed by the chief police comm. Or when he said we are in this because victorias did the wrong thing, yet refusing to say he did also, or when he said the adf support wasnt on offer. I think on this occasion we know who is lying and who isnt, so yes forgive me if i dont sit there and listen to all the dribble that comes out of his mouth.

Im not after a dispute but you put yourself out there when you listen to him and other politicians ahead of what is actually in most cases reported as fact. Question for you. Do you listen to all of trumps pressers or just what is reported in the media. I find in some of his pressers his words are twisted but thats life.

[Rampsation]

Labor decided against taking defence personnel help. Kabor put in Amateur security guards to secure the hotels.Labor and only Labor is guilty for what gappened in Victoria. They are the ones who a re responsible for the deaths in Victorian aged care.

[Andyy]

Labor decided against taking defence personnel help. Kabor put in Amateur security guards to secure the hotels.Labor and only Labor is guilty for what gappened in Victoria. They are the ones who a re responsible for the deaths in Victorian aged care.

Didn't see anyone complaining about the lack of ADF 6 months ago when it was offered.

With hindsight in mind all the 'experts' are so confident this would have prevented the second wave. How can you prove this or even be remotely sure?

[WilliamPowell]

I do find it amusing that you would suggest i dont listen to to what they have to say. I listen to most of what they have to say including this inquiry. In andrews case its becoming less and less as there is no point when its baseless lies coming out so i tend to switch off.

I didn't suggest you didn't listen, where did I say that?

I asked you a question and at no point did I say you didn't listen. After I asked the question I then said why I listen to all the different pressers including  ScoMo's because I have little faith in what the media reports due to the fact they tend to only report what gives them the best headline.

Im not after a dispute but you put yourself out there when you listen to him and other politicians ahead of what is actually in most cases reported as fact. Question for you. Do you listen to all of trumps pressers or just what is reported in the media. I find in some of his pressers his words are twisted but thats life.

I would hope I've explained myself as to why I asked you a question. But I would reiterate that I'm listening to most of the pressers during this pandemic from both sides of politics; so again not sure how that is putting myself out there?

As for Trump I do listen to some of his pressers or at least parts of them. Certainly not daily but if something is reported that I think would be worth searching and listening to in full, then yep I do. Best most recent example I can give is the interview he did the other week with Jonathon Swan, saw the snippets on the new and then went and watched the entire interview.

[Rampsation]

For those if us who have parent/s in aged care this is a bad time. People just want this fixed now. All politiciana on all sides are the same.