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Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« on: October 03, 2020, 07:25:39 PM »
The door is open, can we win from here? I am calling YES, will be the greatest flag win in RFC History.
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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2020, 07:44:01 PM »
Not if they play pressureless footy again. Out in straights sets. Port in Adelaide will be very difficult.

Bring back our one wood and it’s game on anytime anywhere.

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2020, 07:56:25 PM »
Would need a repeat of 1973.

Lost the Qualifying Final despite being favourite;
Beat St Kilda in a knockout semi-final;
Then a win against the odds in the Prelim;
Before gaining revenge in the Granny for the QF loss  :boxer.

https://afltables.com/afl/seas/1973.html#fin

Lynch would need to be a Royce Hart mind you  :yep.
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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2020, 10:50:37 PM »
Sydney 2005? The bulldogs did it the long way in 2016 also. How often do teams win the premiership when they lost the first QF?

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2020, 11:07:55 PM »
Hawks did it in 2015 didn't they? So still recent
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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2020, 03:46:54 PM »
How often do teams win the premiership when they lost the first QF?
4 times under the current top 8 finals system. Each had to win an interstate prelim too to make the Granny.

Hawthorn 2015 ..... lost to WCE (Subi) then beat Adel (MCG), Freo (Subi) & WCE (MCG).

West Coast 2006 ... lost to Syd (Subi) then beat Dogs (Subi), Adel (AAMI) & Syd (MCG).

Sydney 2005 .... lost to WCE (Subi) then beat Geel (SCG), StK (MCG) & WCE (MCG).

Brisbane 2003 ... lost to Coll (MCG) then beat Adel (Gabba), Syd (ANZ) & Coll (MCG).


Adelaide 1998 also did it but that was a different final 8 system.

There are examples further back (eg: Richmond 1973) but that was with fewer teams making finals (i.e. top 4, top 5 & top 6).

Source: https://afltables.com/afl/seas/season_idx.html

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2020, 10:39:24 PM »
^

Not good odds at all.

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2020, 03:15:53 PM »
Why Tigers’ loss has them destined for a dynasty

By Ben Waterworth and Max Laughton
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October 5, 2020 2:30pm


Think the Tigers are in trouble? History suggests their week one loss was exactly what they needed.

Disregard the Tigers at your own peril.

Talent, system, finals experience, battle-hardened bodies – it’s all still there.

And if recent footy history dynasty is anything to go by, Richmond might now be better prepared, possibly more motivated, to take out the 2020 flag.

If the Tigers are to claim this year’s premiership, they’ll have to ‘do it the hard way’, after losing to the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Friday night.

It was their first qualifying final loss since they began their premiership push in 2017. So for his playing group under Damien Hardwick, they’ve officially hit unfamiliar territory, using up their one lifeline and booking a semi-final spot against St Kilda next weekend.

It would be easy to be downcast on the Tigers after Friday night’s loss, which featured on-field ill-discipline, ample goals conceded from clearances and a lack of intercept/rebound ability as the Lions broke down the Richmond system.

But rarely have clubs that have created a premiership dynasty – three flags in three or four years – faced no hurdles during finals.

In 2003, the Brisbane Lions lost their qualifying final to Collingwood by 15 points, forcing them into a semi-final against Adelaide. They won that game by 42 points then smashed the Swans by 44 in the prelim then smashed Collingwood by 50 points to claim their third straight premiership.

Hawthorn had a similar blip and rise during the 2015 finals. The Eagles made a statement to the competition with an emphatic 32-point qualifying final win in Perth, restricting the Hawks to just four goals in the first three quarters.

Three big Hawks wins followed: A 74-point semi-final mauling of Adelaide, a fine 27-pont interstate preliminary final victory over Fremantle and a dominant 46-point win over West Coast in the Grand Final to claim their third straight flag.

The similarities to the Tigers are eerie, according to four-time premiership Hawk Jordan Lewis.

“I think it was 2015 where we at Hawthorn went over to the west, lost and then had to go through it that hard way and play every single game until the Grand Final,” Lewis told Fox Footy.

“There’s just something about those teams that when everything is on the line and they understand that a loss has them out of the season, they just go to another level.”

Since 2000, 15 of the 20 premiership teams claimed the flag after earning the week off and going straight through to a preliminary final.

But Richmond captain Trent Cotchin believes a semi-final appearance could actually work in his side’s favour.

“The reality is we need to perform well against the Saints, otherwise the rest doesn’t really matter,” Cotchin said. “But living in hub life, getting back into routine today (Sunday) and building into Friday night is probably a good opportunity.

“I know that our situation up here (in Queensland) in the sunshine is better than what it seems to be in Melbourne. But sitting around doing not a lot over a few days can also be a challenge as well, so we’re excited about Friday night against the Saints.”

Getting leading goalkicker Tom Lynch back from injury will help, too.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-elimination-finals-and-qualifying-finals-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-richmond-brisbane-stats/news-story/b13a3042451123a483f4d7b1b75a9bb9

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2020, 03:26:29 PM »
Hodge on SEN today with Whateley talking about us in relation to the Hawks of 2015 who lost their QF as well before going on to win the flag.

AUDIO [Go to 8:00 min mark]: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=741052

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* What do top sides like Richmond and Hawthorn in 2015 learn from a QF loss?
It shows you're not invincible. When do you get a hiccup like losing your first final you go through everything and look for where your standards have slipped.

* The 50 against Dusty - they haven't paid that all year.

* Bolton in the middle of the ground was just a wrestle. An overreation by the umpires on edge trying to get on top of things especially early in the game by paying ticky-touchwood frees.

* Other two 50s were there. Bolton knew it was a free to Brisbane while Pickett was undisciplined.

* Everyone gets flusted. If you're winning most weeks you are not use to having another side come at you like that. When you get flusted you make silly decisions. You learn from it to not get flusted. Better to hold onto the ball rather than kick it away and give 50. Pickett needed to wait to later on in the game when the opportunity came to tackle Zorko to get back at him rather than do an undisciplined act in that split moment.

* Richmond will go away and tighten up on not giving away those 50s. Tighten up on things like not allowing Rich to stand there on his own for ages that lead to the first goal. Next time you don't allow things like that to happen again.

* Mark Robinson in 2015 had a go at 75% of the Hawthorn team for being too old, too slow, etc. So that gave the Hawks' players motivation. Sure there's been talk about off-field issues but the media is not saying that (too old, too slow) about Richmond.

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2020, 06:32:02 PM »
HOW RICHMOND WILL BOUNCE BACK FROM QUALIFYING FINAL DEFEAT

BY SEN 3
6 October 2020


Four-time premiership Hawk Luke Hodge has run his eye over Richmond following their Qualifying Final loss to Brisbane

The reigning premiers went into the final favourites despite finishing lower on the ladder, but could not match the Lions after half time in the 15-point loss.

Hodge, whose Hawthorn side lost a Qualifying Final in 2015 on their path to a premiership, believes the loss will be a wake-up call for the Tigers.

“I’m thinking Richmond are sitting back going ‘yes we were undisciplined and we handed a few goals to them, we’ve got three games now, we’ve got (Tom Lynch) back in, let’s win three games’,” Hodge told SEN’s Whateley.

“(Losing a Qualifying Final) shows that you’re not invincible.

“I know throughout the year they’ve had a lot of hiccups, as we did in 2015, but when it happens on the footy field and you have a group of guys who trust each other and you’re normally in sync in those big games.

“When you do get a bit of a hiccup in the first round, they sit back and go through all the little things they would have focused on over the last few years and work out where they’ve dropped their standards.”

While Hodge feels Richmond played an undisciplined game, giving away four 50 metre penalties, the ex-Lion believes the Tigers were harshly officiated on two of them.

“I think there were four 50 metre penalties (paid to Brisbane), I thought two of them were a little bit soft,” he said.

“The Dustin Martin one, they haven’t paid that all year. He pushed out of the ruck and it was a quick split-second snap.

“It’s not like he looked at the umpire and then did it, so I thought that was a little bit harsh.

“Then the Shai Bolton one in the middle, that was a bit of a wrestle and an overreaction. I guess the umpires want to stay on top of the game and not let undisciplined acts come in, but I thought that was a bit 50-50.

“The others with Bolton and his shot on goal a bit later when he clearly knew it was a free kick and the undisciplined one on Trent Cotchin in the middle of the ground. It’s stuff they’re going to look at and go ‘we can’t do this’.

“The competition is so even … (They) need to tighten up on those things, tighten up on ball movement and defensive pressures.

“To let Daniel Rich kick that first goal at the start of the game when you’re supposed to be at the peak of your defensive pressures, to let Daniel Rich stand at the 55 metre-mark and have no one go near him, they’re going to look at each other in the eye and say ‘we’re not going to let any of those things happen again’.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/06/how-richmond-will-bounce-back-from-qualifying-final-defeat/

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2020, 08:06:39 PM »
If we win it from here it is going to be a very special flag
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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2020, 09:33:57 PM »
I believe in the boys. Make us proud !

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2020, 04:59:39 PM »
Dynasty dream is still alive.

If the Tigers can claw their way back to secure the 2020 premiership, they would rank among the great teams of all time.


Ash Browne
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Finals Week Two
October 9-10, 2020


The word 'dynasty' is being thrown around lately when it comes to Richmond.

Would three flags in four years elevate the Tigers to dynasty status?

It says here it would. The Tigers would comfortably walk in the company of all the truly great teams in League history, such as the Melbourne outfit that won five flags between 1955 and 1960, the Carlton 'mosquito fleet' that won three of four flags between 1979 and 1982, Brisbane's three-peat premiership teams from 2001 to 2003 and both of Hawthorn's golden eras, the 1983-1991 group that landed five flags and Alastair Clarkson's three-peaters ((c) Bruce McAvaney) that saluted from 2013 to 2015.

Perhaps only the Collingwood team of 1927-30 stands above all of those.

Jock McHale's men, who became known as "The Machine", are officially rated by sports historian Sam Walker in his 2017 book 'The Captains Class' as one of the greatest sporting teams of all time anywhere in the world.

What the Tigers need to do now is overcome similar hurdles to some of those aforementioned teams, for whom the third flag was the hardest to win.

The Machine pretty much rolled its way through those four flag-winning seasons.

But in 1929, the Magpies went through the home and away season without losing a game, only to be comprehensively - on the scoreboard and in the clinches - beaten up by a physical Richmond in the semi-final.

They reversed that result in the Grand Final a fortnight later.

The following year, Collingwood lost to Geelong by 26 points in what, under the system of the time, was the Grand Final.

But there was a challenge system in play which gave the first-placed team the right to a rematch if it lost the flag decider.

The Pies got to play the Cats again and there was high drama in the lead-up with legendary coach Jock McHale, bed-ridden all week with pleurisy and influenza, unable to attend the game and it took a stirring half-time address from club secretary Bob Rush to inspire the Pies from 21 points down at half-time to win by 30.

Melbourne skated through the 1955 and 1956 finals series without problems, but 1957 created problems.

Lack of discipline and a touch of hubris (sound familiar Tiger fans?) engulfed the Demons in the second semi-final, which they lost to Essendon, and they had to win the flag the hard way, having to get through Hawthorn in the preliminary final before overcoming the Bombers in the Grand Final.

The Blues of 1982 also scrapped their way to dynastic status, having to play all four weeks of the finals series and deal with distractions such as superstar Wayne Johnston's Tribunal hearing before winning their third flag in four years.

The Lions of 2003 lost to Collingwood in the qualifying final and had to beat Port at home, the Swans in Sydney and the Pies back at the MCG to win the flag.

Nigel Lappin's broken ribs diagnosis, as tipped off to the world by teammate Jason Akermanis, was a huge additional issue for Brisbane.

In 2015, Hawthorn, mired in controversy over skipper Luke Hodge's drink-driving charge, lost the qualifying final to West Coast at Subiaco, and had to win three finals from there to claim that third flag, including another trip to Perth to play Fremantle.

So what the Tigers are facing from now is not uncharted territory.

Football history teaches us that the final obstacle to all-time greatness is usually the highest and hardest to overcome.

With Tom Lynch to return and stark reminders from their coach to temper their ill-discipline, three straight wins and a place in football immortality still awits.

https://issuu.com/lifestyle1-media/docs/afl_record_-_finals_week_2   

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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2020, 10:16:58 PM »
One down, two to go :pray.
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Re: Will this be our greatest premiership ever?
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2020, 10:26:18 PM »
We are certainly hated now.

I’ve just received the most number of text messages telling me how dirty we are and how many dog players we have (Lynch Cotchin).  :rollin

It’s real vitriol now. I haven’t had it this bad since ‘80.

We happen to make it to the GF again it will be us against everyone.

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