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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2023, 06:48:21 PM »
Who does old mate Ralphy have playing second ruck??? Miller showed enough good signs last season for me that he’s earned first crack at that role especially given he can fill in at both ends of the ground as needed.

I’d also be having a midfielder as the sub, don’t see any point having a ‘specialist’ ruck and I don’t think the coaches would either.

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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #106 on: January 09, 2023, 08:17:35 PM »
It's a great 22. Agree on who plays 2nd ruck issue. I do think maybe we look at Miller playing and phasing out Tarrant. I don't think the drop off is that big and with both Grimes and Tarrant being close to retirement I think Miller needs to be playing to develop further otherwise we will have a massive gap in defense in 2 years.
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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #107 on: January 09, 2023, 11:15:29 PM »
Not sure how we will  have a massive gap in defense if we don't play Miller there.

If Balta is the next big thing which i doubt by the way, then you have Balta and a kid called Gibcus who managed a lazy 18 games in his first season.
We drafted a 23 yo mature kpd in Tyler Young and generally you only take mature players if they can and are ready to play. We have hung onto Nyuon as well.
To hang onto him they must see something in him. Fair dinkum as far as talls goes defense is the least of our worries. Same can be said for small and medium defenders. Banks and Brown even HRS  can play hb we used our first pick in the nd on  young Smith you guessed it a hbf then theres Mansell Vlastuin Broad  Defense is not a problem moving fwd

Not sure how Ralphy picked Baker as a fwd in front of Maurice junior reckon he is having the same problem some supporters are and not leaving out some name players.

Lol Jayden Short instead of Pickett on a wing did he even watch us last year.

Soldo as a sub fmd its either Soldo or Nankervis as #1 ruck. One misses out and atm that is Soldo.

As far as our talls go Miller is the perfect fit atm. People don't want Balta fwd,  then by the length of the flemington straight Miller is the next best option and not just as a fwd. It is imperative we actually play and develop someone as a tall fwd. The bonus with Miller he can ruck okay and he can  play either end of the ground and has a junior back ground as a fwd. To me this says starting 22  every week. He is actually ideal for team structure and balance.


The problem we have and its a good one is fitting blokes like Ross Short Baker and Graham into the midfield and rotations and no one wants to say it.

Every day of the week my first 7  forwards picked  are Riewoldt, Lynch possibly Miller as the talls in Millers case fwd/ruck. Bolton Dusty Cumberland and Junior.
If Miller does not start in the 18 he just has to be on the bench.

Please tell me better options based on last year and peformance and team needs..

Same for defense The first 7 imo and one has to miss. Tarrant fmd we are in denial if people think he is not the best big one on one defender we have atm.Balta Partners Tarrant as the other big kpd, Grimes third tall or small, Broad Vlastuin Rioli with Kids like Brown and Gibcus  waiting in the wings.
Yes Baker and Short could play there but they are no longer the best options for defense. They will have to make it as a part of midfield rotations

As mids i have Cotchin, Martin, Bolton, Prestia, Taranto, Hopper and Sonsie in front of Ross Graham Baker and Short. we cannot play em all. on top of that Martin, Bolton Sonsie and Taranto can all play fwd and are better fwd options imo than the latter 4.

Taranto and Hopper straight away forces two out Sonsie will have another preseason and i hope forces another out and Dusty back to his best will force another out we hardly had him last year and sonsie had just 7 games.

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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #108 on: January 09, 2023, 11:51:05 PM »
Having a ruckman as a sub is almost unheard of but I don't hate it.

If this sub rule was in place last season and Soldo was sub for the EF...I'd have been delighted. stuff me Nank was bad.
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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #109 on: January 10, 2023, 01:03:46 AM »
Having a ruckman as a sub is almost unheard of but I don't hate it.

If this sub rule was in place last season and Soldo was sub for the EF...I'd have been delighted. stuff me Nank was bad.

Man that's digging up trauma.

I wish they'd played Pickett instead and they may as well given O went down.

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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #110 on: January 10, 2023, 03:33:54 AM »
Plus if K Bradtke ( looks to be a possible P Cripps type) works out……. We will have problems getting them all a game.

Midfield, I see Cotchin playing less, plus Prestia being injury prone sees Sonsie and maybe Ross getting opportunity, but atm we are going to have problems with good players not getting a game.
A fit Dusty plus Taranto and Hopper have really changed the mix.

I think Riewoldt may be on the outer and someone else should be getting developed in front of him.

Anyway it is a good problem to have, exciting times for RFC, I think we may really be in the mix for another flag, or am I one eye dreaming?

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2023 Best 23: Does influx of stars mean a brutal call for Cotchin (theRoar)
« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2023, 11:14:34 AM »
2023 Best 23s: Does influx of stars mean a brutal call for Trent Cotchin at Tigerland?

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The Tigers are among the premiership favourites heading into 2023 – and rightly so.

On paper, their greatest weakness – the midfield – has at a stroke become a strength, with the arrival of former GWS on-ballers Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper bringing an instant mix of talent and muscle at stoppages that wasn’t even a strength during their 2017-2020 dynasty.

The Tigers have always tended to win in spite of clearance and contested possession limitations, making 2023 a fascinating transitional year now that they, at last, have a chance to really hurt teams out of the centre. With a fearsome forward line at their disposal, plus an array of speedy, elite kicks that cut swathes through opposition teams last year from half-back, there’s a whole lot to like about Richmond going into this year.

History says that things are rarely as simple as teams plugging weak areas with star power and instantly becoming better for it; but for a side full of veterans ready to have one last hurrah at another pemiership, and a coach in Damien Hardwick still as hungry as ever for success, it could very well be Tiger time again in the not too distant future.


Defenders

The Tigers were a side vulnerable to transition in 2022; in a cruel reversal of the style that won them three flags, teams would regularly cut them up on the turnover and expose an at times vulnerable backline.

The Richmond defensive unit was a pillar of strength and consistency through their era of success, but with David Astbury retired and Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlastuin both missing clumps of games through injury, things didn’t always gel inside defensive 50.

The major positive was that Josh Gibcus now has a full season under his belt, and looked more than capable as either a pure stopper or intercept-marking second or third tall.

Among young key defenders, Sam De Koning rightly won the lion’s share of the attention for his spectacular 2022 for the Cats, but I’d argue Gibcus, in a far more exposed position at the Tigers, was very nearly as impressive on a regular basis. If Grimes in particular can return to full fitness and form, having appeared close to the cliff at times last year, Gibcus will be a major beneficiary.

With Noah Balta now likely to take command of the backline for the foreseeable future after an ill-fated attempt to swing him forward last year, there might no longer be a spot in the team for Robbie Tarrant.

After a nightmare first month or two during which he was repeatedly exposed on the lead and looked every bit his 33 years, Tarrant was exceptional as the Tigers’ primary key defender. But now a year older, with Gibcus likely to need less looking after defensively, Balta locked in, Ben Miller improving all the time and Grimes nearly certain to return, there aren’t a whole lot of spots left available to him.

However, as a back-up instantly capable of slotting in if and when injury strikes (like the hamstring injury set to rule Gibcus out of the early rounds), he’s still capable of fulfilling a key role.

Grimes is an interesting case, though – at 31, the co-captain was a long way off his exceptional best even before a hamstring injury prematurely ended his season. His role at his best made him arguably the premier two-way defender in the game, capable of both shutting down opposition talls and smalls while also an outstanding intercepter.

Lose a yard of pace, though, and either of those roles, much less both, become much more of a challenge. The Tigers are going to have to make some difficult calls one way or another on a series of premiership heroes and club legends; Grimes, for the first time in perhaps a decade, goes into a new year with his spot in the team not set in stone.

Daniel Rioli was one of the stories of the year as he entrenched his transformation from bit-part small forward to one of the best dashing defenders going around. His presence added an extra, ultra-aggressive dimension to the Tigers’ rebounding skillset, and even meant Jayden Short was tried at times as an on-baller.

I’d expect to see both of them at half-back throughout next year: Rioli as the line-breaker dasher with licence to take the game on, and Short as the prime distributor to kick-star more sensible build-ups where appropriate.

The interesting floater is Liam Baker: he’s been trialled everywhere throughout his career, from small forward to defence to even at centre bounces. I’m foreseeing more of a logjam for Tigers’ small forward spots, both next year and beyond given an influx of young talent, so it would surprise to see Hardwick use his experience, grit and precise ball use back in defence, perhaps as stopping cover to allow Short and Rioli to give their direct opponents slightly more legrope than they’d otherwise allow.

Sam Banks is the other option: a recently drafted mid-sized defender, Banks will most likely have to wait his turn for a senior team gig behind Grimes, Vlastuin and co.; none of whom are getting any younger, but he has nothing but time on his hands to develop.


Midfielders

Change is coming on the ball for Richmond in 2023, and not a minute too soon.

The Tigers were the second-worst side in the game for clearances last year, ahead of only Hawthorn. Bizarrely, it wasn’t a problem at centre bounces, where they ranked second behind the Western Bulldogs, but rather everywhere else where they were simply out-hunted for the ball.

The Tigers were never a high-possession side during their 2017-2020 run of dominance – quality, not quantity, was always their mantra. But the weakness meant that in the elimination final, when Brisbane ruckman Oscar McInerney went down with concussion in the opening five minutes, their midfield group was incapable of taking advantage of a complete ruck dominance. Toby Nankervis and backup Miller landed 55 hitouts to the Lions’ 16, yet clearances were lost 46-40, mostly to Lachie Neale (15).

The arrival of Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper has the capacity to change Richmond’s whole gameplan. Now blessed with two powerful, primed on-ballers, neither of whom can or should really play anywhere else, the Tigers should be able to break even in clearances more often than not, and capitalise on mismatches when they arrive (though Nankervis will likely need to tap it to them first).

Dion Prestia, too, is simply too good to leave out of the mix, and the presence of other guns on the ball should hopefully ease the pressure on his injury-prone body. Shai Bolton won’t, in all likelihood, be required at 56 per cent of centre bounces like he was in 2022, but he probably should: his pace, ability to find space and elite football brain are a strong counterpoint to a Tigers midfield with more of an emphasis on power and tackling strength over defter attributes.

The problem is that leaves the rest of the existing crew in the lurch, and needing to find other roles. Jack Graham is the obvious victim: for years now he’s looked ready to assume the mantle of the number one Richmond midfield, yet he still – for lack of a tank or lack of trust from coaching staff, whichever one you prefer – spends most of his time at half-forward. Now that Taranto and Hopper have arrived, his place in the midfield rotation is under more pressure than ever: little wonder, then, he entertained the pursuit of a move to Port Adelaide in the off-season.

But if Graham and Dustin Martin (remember him?) still have designs on rotating through the midfield group, where does that leave Trent Cotchin? The former captain had something of a resurgence last year, playing 19 games and attending nearly three-quarters of the Tigers’ centre bounces: clearly, Hardwick still sees him as crucial around the ball.

Only Bolton, Prestia and Nankervis had more contested possessions at the club last year than Cotchin – but all finished between 205 and 211. Prestia is younger and Bolton more dynamic, which leaves Cotchin as the one to make way for the Giants duo if push comes to shove.

No doubt Cotchin’s experience and still-unmatched desire to win the ball will still be useful for the Tigers, but they also would be reluctant to risk the likes of Graham, Tyler Sonsie and Jack Ross seeking new opportunities elsewhere after being underplayed compared to a mid-30s stalwart.

Equally, Cotchin is 13 games shy off his 300-game milestone, and if Shane Edwards was given the chance to get there last year before retiring, Cotchin, who seems further away from the end now than Edwards was 12 months ago, will surely get there too.

Perhaps the best option would be to ‘do a Marc Murphy’: in 2021, Carlton literally carried a flatlining Marc Murphy to the 300-game milestone, naming him medical sub in four of his last six games before hitting the mark.

Given the rule now enables teams to sub in a player anytime, cuold Cotchin’s last great act for Richmond be to limit his involvement to a quarter and a half each match, come on, give everything in his being as he always does, and see if he can snag one last flag on the way out?

As for the wings, Kamdyn McIntosh has one locked in after a super season streaming behind the ball and presenting as an outlet option for kicks coming out of defensive 50. I’d love to see the pacy Hugo Ralphsmith have a chance at the other: the grand final sprint winner struggled to find a role in defensive 50, given another speedster in Daniel Rioli was already there and had the virtue of being a superior kick. But using his raw pace and attacking mindset further afield, driving the ball inside 50 rather than rebounding from defence, seems to suit him down to a tee.


Forwards

No side scored more points in the 2022 home-and-away season than Richmond: and you’d think that with a stronger midfield up ahead, the likes of Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt would only get more chances to thrive.

The thing is, though, that the Tigers, despite those shoddy clearance numbers, averaged the second-most inside 50s of any side in the league last year, behind only Geelong. A lack of supply has never been an issue for the Tigers, given their excellence on the counter from turnovers and Rioli-inspired dash out of defence in 2022.

Lynch is, in my view, the best key forward in the game: he led the AFL in average contested marks last year, and would have won the Coleman Medal but for missing three games with injury. There are few general colossusses in the game, and he’s one of them.

Riewoldt, despite having now turned 34, is still the obvious second. All the attempts to make Balta into a forward just highlighted how much attacking craft the veteran has, and how little his younger teammate possesses. He won’t be crashing many packs anymore, but if Jack can find some space inside 50 on two or three occasions per match, that’s how many goals he’d expect to snag as well.

The Tigers’ smalls are more interesting to discuss, primarily because they have so many for so few spots. You’d expect both Martin and Bolton, plus a score of resting mids, to spend plentiful time in attacking 50 this year – good luck defending Dusty AND Shai in one-on-ones, defenders of the AFL!

Of the rest, Maurice Rioli caused as many goal-scoring turnovers as anyone in the game last year, and is well on his way to becoming the league’s premier pressure small. He’s an upgrade from the more limited Jason Castagna, who lacks Rioli’s menacing closing speed, nose for goals and sheer presence.

Noah Cumberland barely put a foot wrong either in 2022 when he broke into the senior team mid-year, bagging 19 goals in nine games including a haul of five. Cumberland leads hard, kicks powerfully and just like Rioli, has presence in attack.

The Tigers got by in their glory years with their forwards’ main role being to supply pressure and force turnovers for their talls to fast on. Cumberland and Judson Clarke are now officially in selection considerations; with both possessing the knack for a goal, a desire to tackle hard and pressure frequently, they could easily be a long-term, fruitful forward line partnership.


Richmond Best 23 2023

Backs: Dylan Grimes (c), Noah Balta, Nick Vlastuin

Half-backs: Daniel Rioli, Josh Gibcus*, Jayden Short

Centres: Kamdyn McIntosh, Dion Prestia, Hugo Ralphsmith

Followers: Toby Nankervis (c), Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper

Half-forwards: Maurice Rioli, Tom Lynch, Jack Graham

Forwards: Shai Bolton, Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin

Interchange: Liam Baker, Noah Cumberland, Jack Ross, Tyler Sonsie

Substitute: Trent Cotchin


Emergencies: Sam Banks, Jason Castagna, Judson Clarke

* set to miss Round 1 with a hamstring injury

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/01/19/2023-best-23s-does-influx-of-stars-mean-a-brutal-call-for-trent-cotchin/

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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2023, 02:13:14 PM »
Does this guy even watch Richmond play?
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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2023, 02:27:28 PM »
Pickett and Tarrant not even featuring as emergencies tells you all you need to know about this effort
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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #114 on: January 19, 2023, 10:21:44 PM »
Probably one of the first picked every week in Broad is not there as well. He gets a gid in front of Short for sure.

Fair dinkum Cotchin was close to our best mid last year and Taranto and Hopper just made his job easier. He would still rank as our 4th or 5th best mid and is not playing as a sub.

HHHaarrggh no Tarrant talk about being in denial.He is our best big kpd and age should not come into it.Atm im picking him in front of Balta everyday of the week.

Then the doozy. HRS  and not Pickett not based on last year no way. Can understand the need to get games into kids and HRS may be a future winger but sheesh he has some serious deficiencies that need fixing.
Needless to say i have little time for such outside types.

Second to Last but not least Graham as a fwd in front of Cumberland!!!! sheesh what does Cumberland need to do to get a bit of recognition from these bozoes.

Last Miller is the missing tall piece atm, Servicable when resting Nankervis in the ruck, and yes he will need to looked after. The real beauty Miller  can play as a third option  fwd and Back as a kpd if need be.Bloody hell we have spent how many seasons now developing Big Ben he finally starts to reward us with good footy and these fools want him gone.

Its almost like yep we got Taranto and Hopper we don't need to develop younger players. At our long term peril i say.

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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2023, 11:35:37 PM »
Ralph lol
Graham on HFF lol
Ross lol

Not a knock on those guys but I'll take Pickett, Broad and Cotch straight in for those 3.
 
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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #116 on: January 20, 2023, 11:49:30 AM »
I’ll maintain that we need some genuine toe on one wing and HRS can provide that for us. Hopefully that time trial is a sign he can and then will run hard both ways. Where that leaves K Mac or Pickett I do not know but we need better offensive running in that part of the ground
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Re: 2023 - Best 22
« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2023, 12:21:04 PM »
Hugo would want to find some defensive ability and start putting his head over it when it's his turn.  Until he proves that, Kmac and Pickett stay on the wing for mine.
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« Reply #118 on: January 20, 2023, 02:15:22 PM »
Hugo would want to find some defensive ability and start putting his head over it when it's his turn.  Until he proves that, Kmac and Pickett stay on the wing for mine.

Nailed it.

Pickett isn't getting any younger so Hugo has a chance to get himself ready to take over.

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« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2023, 05:47:08 PM »
One thing Pickett has to his advantage is he was a late starter to AFL level. So, his body isn't banged up for his age (31).
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