Jacob Hopper [merged]

[TigerLand]

McCartney is very lucky that Tigers are very collaborative club to deal with. What happened to Bobby Hill last year was a disgrace. If they have another failed trade on their hands they will have a generation of players signing no more than 2-2-3 years and be a basketcase of a club in trying to building a sustainable successful list.

I think there should be some good faith in that the Taranto deal for an uncontracted player was a very, very fair deal. 1st rounder next year, Pick 31 and Soldo is something they should be looking at.

This is why I would have preferred to have both deal at the same time. Trading for Taranto separately now gives GWS full leverage for Hopper as he is contracted.

[TigerLand]

I wonder if we could package Pick 31 and our next selection Pick 50 and try and get up the draft order. Unlikely but if we could somehow get Pick 29. Maybe that looks a bit better for GWS.

[Knighter]

I wonder if we could package Pick 31 and our next selection Pick 50 and try and get up the draft order. Unlikely but if we could somehow get Pick 29. Maybe that looks a bit better for GWS.

We don't have pick 50. We gave that to #lolnorf last year as part of the CCJ deal

[one-eyed]

McCartney said the Tigers' offer of a future first-round pick and pick 31 in the 2022 NAB AFL Draft would need beefing up.

"That's all they've got left obviously," McCartney said.

"Everyone would understand that once that future first goes out, unless something else is coming in, the futures can't be touched so that's what remains.

"Most would know that feels a little short for a player of that quality. Richmond understand that.

"It's really assessing, once again, a number of other deals that are going on and what potential opportunities are being involved there, to strengthen that. We do need to give consideration to (incoming) players as well."

McCartney confirmed GWS is interested in Tigers ruckman Soldo who could be a potential deal clincher to send Hopper south.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/854381/giants-look-at-big-tiger-in-potential-deal-for-wantaway-mid

[Tiger Khosh]

Still don’t really get why they want soldo but if they do would they consider giving us Matt Flynn in return? Surely they don’t need 4 rucks on their list. Flynn is far from a world beater but he’s a 25 year old mature body with experience at AFL level who can give us cover if Nank goes down and Ryan is struggling to cope as no.1 ruck. He’d be on minimal $$$$ too you’d think.

[georgies31]

Hooper a salary dump dees getting Grundy for pick 27 screw them.

[Andyy]

Hooper a salary dump dees getting Grundy for pick 27 screw them.

Honestly F hopper then. Pies said they'd pay 300k of Grundy wage.

We should take him, foot the bill for the other 600-700k instead of getting hopper. Have a sensational ruck who can Jag a goal instead.

[Simonator]

McCartney said the Tigers' offer of a future first-round pick and pick 31 in the 2022 NAB AFL Draft would need beefing up.

"That's all they've got left obviously," McCartney said.

"Everyone would understand that once that future first goes out, unless something else is coming in, the futures can't be touched so that's what remains.

"Most would know that feels a little short for a player of that quality. Richmond understand that.

"It's really assessing, once again, a number of other deals that are going on and what potential opportunities are being involved there, to strengthen that. We do need to give consideration to (incoming) players as well."

McCartney confirmed GWS is interested in Tigers ruckman Soldo who could be a potential deal clincher to send Hopper south.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/854381/giants-look-at-big-tiger-in-potential-deal-for-wantaway-mid

Does this sound like we may be involved with other deals for more picks too?

[OneEyedRichmond]

Hooper a salary dump dees getting Grundy for pick 27 screw them.

Honestly F hopper then. Pies said they'd pay 300k of Grundy wage.

We should take him, foot the bill for the other 600-700k instead of getting hopper. Have a sensational ruck who can Jag a goal instead.

I like your thinking 🧐

[Jonesracing82]

McCartney said the Tigers' offer of a future first-round pick and pick 31 in the 2022 NAB AFL Draft would need beefing up.

"That's all they've got left obviously," McCartney said.

"Everyone would understand that once that future first goes out, unless something else is coming in, the futures can't be touched so that's what remains.

"Most would know that feels a little short for a player of that quality. Richmond understand that.

"It's really assessing, once again, a number of other deals that are going on and what potential opportunities are being involved there, to strengthen that. We do need to give consideration to (incoming) players as well."

McCartney confirmed GWS is interested in Tigers ruckman Soldo who could be a potential deal clincher to send Hopper south.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/854381/giants-look-at-big-tiger-in-potential-deal-for-wantaway-mid

Does this sound like we may be involved with other deals for more picks too?

it does, problem is we don't have much left to give.
If we are giving F1, 31 & Soldo surely we are getting something back, 3rd or F3 or something. otherwise we have given up 4 picks & a player for just 2 players in return. That's overs if we don't get something back.

[Tiger Khosh]

Optimistic take: is it possible we gave GWS picks 12&19 for TT first day of trade period in good faith to allow them the maximum amount of time to negotiate with other clubs and improve their draft hand? They’ve got so many picks now which they can’t possibly use all of them just from a list numbers perspective so they’d be trying to package them up to try and get another top 10 pick. This all being done with a handshake wink wink agreement that our F1 and pick 30 will be more or less enough to get hopper at the end of this week / start of next.

[pmac21]

Just pull out of the deal if they want more. 
Dees getting Grundy for pick 27 FFS. 

[Tiger Khosh]

Yes he’s being traded away so cheaply because he’ll be 29 at the start of next season, coming off a serious knee injury and is owed 1 million a year for another 5 years. Not to mention ruck is the most overrated position in the AFL. Why Melbourne are going for him when they already have Gawn and neither are good forwards will never make sense to me. Just a ludicrous amount of cap space to be tying up into the ruck position even with Collingwood chipping in on Grundys salary.

[one-eyed]

"If a Hopper deal isn't reached, could they look to keep him and sacrifice salary cap space elsewhere? I understand the Giants would be open to conversations on Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes. The Giants want more off the Tigers for Hopper.

- @CalTwomey

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577470386396332032

[mightytiges]

"If a Hopper deal isn't reached, could they look to keep him and sacrifice salary cap space elsewhere? I understand the Giants would be open to conversations on Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes. The Giants want more off the Tigers for Hopper.

- @CalTwomey

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577470386396332032

So, the Giants are going to hold onto a player that's want out while forcing players out that want to stay? Yeah, that's a way to build a strong loyal club culture - NOT!

This is nothing but a bluff. GWS need to make a salary cap dump and Hopper is the one left who is willing to leave. The "goodwill" seems to be only one way from us but we're not a charity. Richmond just needs to hang on until the final trade day, make a final offer and tell them accept it or blow your salary cap.