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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2023, 02:06:14 PM »
Will see how we go unless the pressure comes back, and we stop teams in transition and clean up our skills and defence wise we tighten up we will get found out.

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Malthouse: Why topped-up Tigers will lose finals spot to Blues (HeraldSun)
« Reply #91 on: March 11, 2023, 04:46:41 PM »
Malthouse: Why topped-up Tigers will lose finals spot to Blues



Mick Malthouse has analysed the contenders for the premiership and the wooden spoon in his 2023 season preview. He’s predicting one change to last year’s top eight that might cause a stir.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-2023-afl-preview-topeight-changes-who-will-contend-who-will-struggle/news-story/9b573e7e63ee91be134fe54a8a381469

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #92 on: March 11, 2023, 11:14:42 PM »
“THIS WILL BE A HISTORIC YEAR”: CAMPBELL BROWN MAKES BOLD PRE-SEASON PREDICTION

“I think Brisbane are the team to beat right now as we speak, Richmond and Melbourne are snapping at their heels and I think the Cats will be around the mark again, I don’t think they’re going to have a premiership hangover.”

With the Blues and Suns jumping in, Brown expects Collingwood and Fremantle to be the two teams that slide out.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/11/this-will-be-a-historic-year-campbell-brown-makes-bold-pre-season-prediction/

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Malthouse: Why topped-up Tigers will lose finals spot to Blues



Mick Malthouse has analysed the contenders for the premiership and the wooden spoon in his 2023 season preview. He’s predicting one change to last year’s top eight that might cause a stir.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-2023-afl-preview-topeight-changes-who-will-contend-who-will-struggle/news-story/9b573e7e63ee91be134fe54a8a381469

Mick Malthouse is confident Carlton will be successful in 2015, saying hard to see team lose

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/mick-malthouse-is-confident-carlton-will-be-successful-in-2015-saying-hard-to-see-team-lose/news-story/c00b02acb255d33b0593c490c36f89a1

Thankfully, Micky's predictions are pretty woeful. The Blues won the wooden spoon that year with just 4 wins :lol.
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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #94 on: March 12, 2023, 05:33:45 AM »
and if MRJ goes down with an injury who do we have? Hopper? Ross? Clarke

How we did not go for a cheap bobby hill type or something is beyond me.
Going by the North match sim game and the training photos, we're trialing Mansell as a small forward  :-\.



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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #95 on: March 12, 2023, 07:45:07 AM »
Will see how we go unless the pressure comes back, and we stop teams in transition and clean up our skills and defence wise we tighten up we will get found out.
So true.

We are better than most teams but will end up either scraping in or missing out if we aren’t prepared to play our way returning to the pressure beast that every team were completely bamboozled on how to stop.

From our preseason showing we are miles away from that but it’s a long season so I hope we can spice things up when we play the Cheats.
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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #96 on: March 13, 2023, 02:36:09 AM »
Kane Cornes' 2023 ladder prediction

1      Geelong
2      Brisbane Lions
3      Melbourne
4      Western Bulldogs
5      Sydney
6      Fremantle
7      Collingwood
8      Adelaide
9      Carlton
10      Richmond
11      Port Adelaide
12      GWS
13      Gold Coast
14      Essendon
15      St Kilda
16      Hawthorn
17      West Coast
18      North Melbourne

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bad-to-disaster-kane-cornes-afl-crystal-ball-spells-doom-for-ross-lyon-s-st-kilda-20230310-p5cr03.html

Caroline Wilson's 2023 ladder prediction

1      Melbourne
2      Richmond
3      Brisbane Lions
4      Geelong
5      Carlton
6      Sydney
7      GWS
8      Port Adelaide
9      Western Bulldogs
10      Collingwood
11      Fremantle
12      Gold Coast
13      Adelaide
14      St Kilda
15      West Coast
16      Essendon
17      Hawthorn
18      North Melbourne

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-i-m-tipping-collingwood-to-miss-the-eight-caroline-wilson-s-afl-season-crystal-ball-20230310-p5cqzw.html

Jake Niall's 2023 AFL ladder prediction

1      Melbourne
2      Brisbane Lions
3      Geelong
4      Western Bulldogs
5      Carlton
6      Sydney
7      Collingwood
8      Richmond
9      Fremantle
10      Port Adelaide
11      GWS
12      Gold Coast
13      St Kilda
14      West Coast
15      Adelaide
16      Essendon
17      North Melbourne
18      Hawthorn

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/they-ll-scare-the-hell-out-of-sides-why-jake-niall-says-the-blues-could-steal-a-grand-final-spot-20230310-p5cqzy.html

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #97 on: March 13, 2023, 04:09:36 PM »
Josh Jenkins can see a world where Richmond misses the eight

Watch here: https://twitter.com/SENBreakfast/status/1635109675602702336

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On the Tigers, Jenkins is worried about their heavy reliance on aging key players.

“Jack Riewoldt is 34, he’s going to have to hold down key position. Trent Cotchin is about to be 33. Dustin Martin is 31 off the back of an indifferent season. Dylan Grimes is 31 and Tom Lynch has had his fair share of injuries and is 30,” he said.

“There’s not much beneath Lynch and Riewoldt in the forward half. If they lose one or both they’re in trouble.

“I’ve got Richmond out (of the top eight). It’s going to be tight. These teams might miss out on percentage.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/12/jenkins-three-teams-to-drop-out-of-the-eight-in-2023/

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Josh Jenkins has already revealed that he has three teams falling out of the eight for the 2023 season, but who replaces them?

With Fremantle, Richmond and Sydney coming out, Jenkins has picked three teams to bolt up in Carlton, Gold Coast and West Coast.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/12/former-crows-three-afl-finals-bolters-for-2023/

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #98 on: March 13, 2023, 04:16:26 PM »
Former Carlton star Bryce Gibbs has revealed his top eight prediction for the 2023 season.

He is predicting only the one change to the finalists for this season, with the Blues replacing Collingwood.

Gibbs sees Richmond as the team who could bolt into the top four.

“My top four, I’m going to give you Brisbane, Melbourne, Richmond and Geelong,” he told SEN’s Saturday’s in SA.

“Richmond obviously added to the midfield, they’ve got a healthy Dustin Martin, they look very dangerous and they play that kamikaze and quick off turnover footy that is hard to stop.

As for the rest of the eight, Gibbs has the Blues, Swans, Dogs and Dockers filling out finals.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/12/former-carlton-star-makes-his-top-eight-prediction-for-2023/

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #99 on: March 13, 2023, 04:17:54 PM »
As for Adelaide legend Mark Ricciuto, he’s tipping Richmond to surge and claim another premiership under Damien Hardwick.

“It’s an open field but I’ll go with the Tigers,” Ricciuto told foxfooty.com.au’s David Zita.

“A fit Dusty Martin who plays forward more with the midfield recruits and kicks 50-plus goals.”


FOX FOOTY AFL PREMIERS PREDICTIONS 2023

Dermott Brereton: Melbourne

Nathan Buckley: Geelong Cats

Nick Dal Santo: Melbourne

Ben Dixon: Geelong Cats

David King: Melbourne

Brad Johnson: Brisbane Lions

Jordan Lewis: Melbourne

Alastair Lynch: Geelong Cats

Garry Lyon: Melbourne

Leigh Montagna: Melbourne

Cameron Mooney: Melbourne

Matthew Pavlich: Melbourne

Mark Ricciuto: Richmond

FINAL TALLY

Melbourne – 8

Geelong Cats – 3

Brisbane Lions – 1

Richmond – 1

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-clear-afl-flag-favourite-and-why-its-a-fail-if-they-fall-short-13-experts-reveal-premiership-tips/news-story/ffb4c460de86ee93fa9827d459274ea8

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #100 on: March 13, 2023, 04:34:24 PM »
Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

Max Laughton
Fox Sports
March 13th, 2023


Let’s work out the tricky stuff first: Who’s going to miss out.

It’s predicted AFL ladder season, which guarantees a bunch of educated guesses which will all be wrong to some degree.

But there’s no point being boring with predictions — and there’s no point playing it safe. Especially because there is always more change than you think.

Rule 1: On average there will be three changes to the top eight (teams dropping in/climbing out), and at a minimum two.

And when we say the minimum is two changes, we mean it. Since the top eight was introduced in 1994 there have been at least two changes every year. (The average, to be precise, is 2.8 changes.)

Rule 2: On average one team that missed the finals the year before will climb into the top four.

While Rule 2 has not been right every single year like Rule 1 has, it has happened for eight seasons in a row. (The average is 1.2 teams that make the leap from non-finalist to top four.)

These rules give us some structure. They tell us that, even though it’s very hard to look at the ladder and pick which teams will drop out (especially this year), you need to find at least two if you’re any hope of being correct.

Unsurprisingly, it’s more likely that teams in the fifth to eighth range will drop out than teams from the first to fourth range. To be precise, of the 79 teams that have made the eight then dropped out the next year, 58 had finished 5th-8th, while just 21 had finished 1st-4th.

The numbers are very similar when you look at finals results: 24 teams made a prelim or and then missed the next year’s finals, compared to 55 teams that had lost in the first two weeks of September.

So back to Rule 1, and our most likely candidates to drop out of the top eight are Fremantle, Brisbane, Richmond and the Western Bulldogs, plus Melbourne given it lost in the semi-finals.

We’re going to rule the Demons out right away because they just seem way too good not to fix whatever ailed them in their post-bye slide.

The Lions and Tigers are in a similar group: Strong performers over the last four years who bolstered their midfields across the off-season (Brisbane with Josh Dunkley and Will Ashcroft; Richmond with Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper), which should in turn help protect their defences, which leaked some big scores at times last year.

In contrast the Dockers and Bulldogs kind of shuffled some pieces around in the trade period.

So based on all of that, we’d be tipping the Bulldogs and Fremantle to drop out of the eight. Simple?

Well … then there’s Collingwood.

Last year’s Collingwood was a 16-win team with the percentage of a 12-win team. We’d put them somewhere in-between that in reality – just as good as the Fremantle/Brisbane/Richmond/Bulldogs quartet across the course of the season, and they peaked in September (which is a damn good time to peak).

They could easily be a better team this year yet win fewer games. And they could be this year’s Port Adelaide, who went from 17-5 in 2021 (with the AFL’s best record in close games) to 10-12 in 2022 (with the AFL’s worst record in close games).

So are we tipping the Magpies to actually drop out of the eight? Let’s see …

MAX LAUGHTON’S PREDICTED 2023 LADDER

1. Geelong Cats
2. Melbourne
3. Brisbane Lions
4. Carlton

5. Richmond

If you read our Power Rankings over the course of last season you know we were leading the Richmond Respecters brigade.

Despite sitting outside the eight as late as Round 20, and even after their weird winless run which saw them draw with Fremantle and lose to the Suns and Kangaroos, we believed in the Tigers. After all, after the Anzac Eve game, they didn’t lose again by more than a kick.

The problem was they lost enough games by a kick to tumble out of the finals without winning one. If they’d gotten over the line against Brisbane, they definitely could’ve beaten Melbourne (especially the version we saw in that semi-final) and made a prelim … but they didn’t.

So it’s that belief in this Tigers group, combined with the obviously fantastic additions of Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper into the midfield, that have us (like most of the AFL commentariat) expecting a rise in 2023.

But we’re not quite sure how high.

The Tigers feel very much like Brisbane: A scoring machine with a bolstered midfield that needs to figure out a way to stop the opposition from scoring, too.

For Damien Hardwick’s men in 2022, it was a drop in pressure combined with being bottom six in the AFL for scores per inside 50 against. Once you got it forward against Richmond, you could hit the scoreboard. Dylan Grimes was still very good (when healthy) one-on-one, but Robbie Tarrant was slightly underwhelming.

So we have question marks over their defensive stocks. But again, like with the Lions, that’s a problem they need to address in time for the finals, not across the entire season.

The Tigers are going to score a lot of points and win a lot of games in the home and away campaign, because that’s what they did last year (the first six weeks excluded) – they won eight games by five goals or more. As we often say, the sign of a good team is winning, but the sign of a great team is winning by a lot.

Can they stop a Geelong, Melbourne or Brisbane in September? That we’re not so sure about. But they should get the chance to show us.


6. Sydney Swans
7. Port Adelaide
8. Fremantle
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9. Collingwood
10. Western Bulldogs
11. Gold Coast Suns
12. Adelaide Crows
13. St Kilda
14. West Coast Eagles
15. GWS Giants
16. Essendon
17. North Melbourne
18. Hawthorn

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/blues-make-the-leap-power-surge-and-the-magpies-miss-full-predicted-23-afl-ladder/news-story/91ee037e7322fd79ebca8715bc494980

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #101 on: March 13, 2023, 11:54:05 PM »
CAN TWO STAR RECRUITS HELP LEAD A RICHMOND RESURGENCE?

Jonathan Brown: “Richmond have been buoyed by the pick-ups of (Tim) Taranto and (Jacob) Hopper to bolster that midfield. (But) I’m a bit worried about the Tiges.

"A lot of people have been bullish in the footy industry. They were heavy scorers last year along with Brisbane, probably should have beaten Brisbane in that first final, but there are quite a few veterans – stars of the team, those A-graders – that for Richmond still to be successful, they still need to be playing at A-grade level. And I’m not sure they’re capable of that anymore. We haven’t seen it from Dusty (Martin) the last 12 or 18 months. (Trent) Cotchin, (Jack) Riewoldt, Martin, (Dylan) Grimes, (Toby) Nankervis, (Tom) Lynch who won the best and fairest, (Dion) Prestia – they’ve got eight players who are 30-plus.

"Now you could say Geelong had nine last year, but who’s the next wave of the younger A-grader coming through? I look at Geelong and think (Sam) De Koning, (Tyson) Stengle, (Max) Holmes. They picked up three A-graders coming through.

"Who are those at Richmond? They’re A-graders on paper, but I’m not sure they’re capable of an A-grade every week … I just saw it first-hand as a young player at the Lions. I saw my star teammates – probably five or six of them, certainly to the outside world – within half a season they were gone. The cliff just came and all of a sudden, five or six of those are gone and you’re back to the bottom half of the ladder.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-predictions-news-2023-richmond-finals-chances-pass-marks-for-coaches-on-the-couch-panel-discussion-questions/news-story/fb96612736e43bea294a333fce6fc205

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #102 on: March 14, 2023, 09:12:22 AM »
I reckon it is going to take us some games to get the balance right around stoppages and going forward. As usual, a lot depends on a healthy list. We could easily be 2-4 or 3-3 after 6 games.  I hope as we head into the last 6 games, we'll get it up and going. With a slow start, I'm expecting us to be battling for that 4th spot with a number of other clubs.

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #103 on: March 14, 2023, 10:30:09 AM »
It really comes down to three things - 1. Midfield Connection, 2. Injuries, 3. Development.

Midfield Connection

Taranto and Hopper are massive inclusions for us. Our midfield-contested work has always been a weakness for us. Where our midfield was strong though was with our outside defensive work. We cut off the opposition handballs out of stoppages. We turned the ball over through pressure around the contest. We clogged up the corridor and 'fat side' forcing teams to kick long to a contest. Over the pre-season, I saw us winning more contested ball but turning the ball over and stopping the opposition's ball movement less. It's the balance and connection of our new midfielders that is causing this. We need Hopper and Taranto to quickly learn our system, shift more of their focus to turning the ball over and fitting into the zone, if we can truly benefit from their inclusions. It's no use winning more of the ball at stoppages if we score less from turnovers. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I'm sure they will find a better connection and balance as they ease into the season and learn to work with our other midfielders.

Injuries

It's an easy statement to make and one that holds true for every season and for every team but a healthy list means the difference between top 4 or bottom 8 for us this year. Given our aging list profile, injuries to our older players are becoming more likely. A prolonged injury to any of Lynch, Grimes, Prestia, Dusty, Jack, Nank or (less so) Pickett would throw our team out of kilter for a long period which we would struggle to recover from. Having strong depth is essential but we really don't have like-for-like replacements with any of those listed atm.


Development

Leading on directly from my point above, developing younger players to take over from our rapidly aging list has never been more crucial. List management is such an unpredictable and imprecise skill that it's so hard to guarantee depth with any level of absolute assurance. Luckily for us, we have one of the best List Management teams in the business. Blair Hartley is a genius. Where our problem is, is using the draft and trading to find replacements for stars. It seems unlikely.

Regardless, we need to continue to build a strong development program. Our VFL program needs to mimic our AFL game plan. Our players needs to refine their skills and be matched up with more experienced operators. Players such as Clarke, Ryan and Sonsie should get games early. Father Time waits for no man and without experience and development for our younger players, when he arrives for our premiership stars, we'll have no one there to step up for them.

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #104 on: March 14, 2023, 02:13:50 PM »
FOX FOOTY EXPERT PREDICTIONS: TOP 8 CHANGES FOR 2023 AFL SEASON

Dermott Brereton: Carlton and Port Adelaide IN, Brisbane and Western Bulldogs OUT

Nathan Buckley: No change

Nick Dal Santo: Carlton IN, Collingwood OUT

Ben Dixon: Carlton IN, Richmond OUT

Brad Johnson: Carlton IN, Collingwood OUT

David King: Carlton IN, Fremantle OUT

Jordan Lewis: Carlton and Essendon IN, Western Bulldogs and Collingwood OUT

Alastair Lynch: Carlton IN, Fremantle OUT

Garry Lyon: Carlton IN, Fremantle OUT

Leigh Montagna: Carlton IN, Collingwood OUT

Cameron Mooney: St Kilda IN, Western Bulldogs OUT

Matthew Pavlich: Carlton IN, Collingwood OUT

Mark Ricciuto: Port Adelaide IN, Fremantle OUT

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-predictions-news-2023-top-eight-changes-fox-footy-experts-predict-carlton-to-play-finals-collingwood-to-miss/news-story/de4e8ba0ec1ffb68b205139631191c71