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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2023, 09:48:23 AM »
SUNS TO ‘ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER’ TRADING TOP PICK

Gold Coast recruiting manager Kall Burns says his club will “absolutely consider” parting with its first pick to help it prepare for, what now seems, an inevitable early rival club bidding spree on three star Suns academy draft prospects.

Richmond has been linked to a possible play for that Gold Coast selection.

Elsewhere, Melbourne, Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, Adelaide, Essendon, and Fremantle all appear well placed to strike a deal with the Suns, should they wish to trade, while North Melbourne and Sydney could have the points that appeal to the Suns if the former two wanted to improve their second-pick positions.

Burns told AFL Media’s Gettable that no club had approached the Suns about trading the pick yet.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2023-gold-coast-suns-top-pick-academy-draft-prospects-orazio-fantasia-essendon/news-story/7537e535247ad7439549c18c207c292a

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #106 on: July 08, 2023, 08:14:22 PM »
I would take Riccardi in a flash

Another solid performance by the young forward  / Nice apprenticeship he’s had.  :clapping
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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #107 on: July 11, 2023, 04:21:24 PM »
The bare forwards market and how clubs are going to get inventive

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July 11, 2023 - 3:23PM


Jack Riewoldt is going down swinging.

The future Hall of Famer and triple Coleman Medallist would love to be playing as Robin to Tom Lynch’s Batman with a favourable match-up each week as he eases into retirement.

Instead as Richmond surges back into finals contention with Lynch sidelined he is taking one for the team.

Goalless in five of his past nine games, he is still battling manfully to bring the ball to ground like he did in that 2017 season playing alongside five Richmond smalls.

But a Richmond side refusing to go quietly into the night clearly needs a succession plan for Riewoldt (24 goals) given it is 11th for points scored this season with Samson Ryan (12 goals) the only other key forward in double figures.

Tom Lynch will return next year after a season decimated by a foot injury but for all of Ryan’s potential Richmond desperately needs a second target by round 1 of 2024.

As the AFL home-and-away season winds down Richmond are far from the only club scouting key position forwards.

So who are key position targets available for that quartet of clubs in what is an extremely modest market?

Hawthorn, Richmond and St Kilda will have to sort the wheat from the chaff in what is a bare key position forward market this off-season.

1. Harry Himmelberg (GWS)

Himmelberg is a free agent, is considering his options and kicked 38 goals in 2019 and 36 in 2021.

Richmond is just one of his suitors as they hope to reunite him with good mates Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto at the Tigers.

But he is already exceptionally well paid – $700,000-$800,000 in this year’s AFL Rich 100 and has slotted in perfectly as the intercept tall in a GWS backline with Sam Taylor and Jack Buckley doing the heavy lifting.

With Adam Kingsley building a great culture at GWS the prevailing view of rival clubs is he might just stay.

The GWS academy product would need to balance the lure of playing in front of huge Victorian crowds with the added attention and pressure of playing key forward, aware no one has missed Tim Taranto for his deficiencies despite a brilliant debut season at Richmond.

Is it financially irresponsible to throw $800,000 a season at a player better suited down back?

2. Mitch Georgiades (Port Adelaide)

Georgiades wants to know if Port Adelaide will hand him ample opportunities in coming seasons after he was dropped to the SANFL this year and last season before his ACL tear.

Port Adelaide will whisper sweet nothings to the 21-year-old uncontracted tall but how often will he play alongside Charlie Dixon (soon to be recontracted), Todd Marshall and Jeremy Finlayson?

Especially given Ollie Lord, contracted to 2024, is hugely rated within Port Adelaide for his capacity to lead hard and straight at the ball?

So Richmond, Hawthorn and St Kilda would have to decide if they could pay $600,000 or so a season for a player dropped in the past two seasons who at 191cm is very much a foil rather than the No. 1 forward?

And who is coming off a mid-season knee reconstruction.

The upside is obvious – 32.17 in his second season, 23.24 in his third – for a player who only turns 22 in September.

Clubs need to decide if he is the style of forward they need given he is boom or bust – the seventh worst loss-rate of the top 50 for one-on-one contests this year but the 16th best win-rate.

In other words, not a consistent pack-crasher to bring the smalls into the game but exceptional when his hands are sticky and he drifts in from the side of a pack to mark and goal.

3. Harrison Jones (Essendon)

The potential is obvious for key position talent Jones, whose early seasons have been ravaged by injuries including a back stress fracture that has seen him shut down already this year.

35 goals in 31 games averaging over a contested mark a game, a pair of games in 2021 with five contested marks playing as a 20-year-old.

He’s not the quick fix Richmond might be after but at St Kilda and Hawthorn he would grow alongside their developing talls.

The question is why he would leave Essendon given the opportunity that is ahead of him if he can get his body right.

So if Essendon offers the kind of contract this year that represents his potential it might be hard to drag him out of the Hangar.

4. Tom De Koning (Carlton)

De Koning wants to ruck.

He will always be the second ruckman behind Marc Pittonet at Carlton.

But if he does move St Kilda is interested in him as a second forward behind Max King who also releases Rowan Marshall to play forward.

Marshall’s monster season has moved him into All Australian calculations but he still has only a solitary goal this year (he kicked 13 in 2020) which shows how seldom he is able to roam forward under the current structure.

Here is the worrying number for De Koning.

In 50 AFL games he has kicked only 16 goals.

He has won only three of his 15 one-on-one contests this season.

This year in nine senior games playing a 73-27 ruck-forward split he has only four goals.

It would be a leap of faith to think he can transform into a 40-goal-a-season forward given this is his sixth AFL season.

If he truly wants to maximise his career as a ruckman Geelong is his perfect landing spot but St Kilda might offer a more lucrative contract to drag him out.

Decision time is coming.

The Blues and Cats might offer $600,000 a season but St Kilda could trump them if they truly believe in De Koning’s potential.

5. Jake Riccardi (GWS)

Hawthorn are an interested party but the problem for rival clubs is that they might have to pay up to $500,000 a year to drag out a player who is pretty much a goal-a-game forward.

He has never kicked more than 16 goals in a season and won only one of his 12 one-on-ones this year.

He has been goalless in five of his 11 games but his best is great – five goals against Fremantle and seven forward-50 marks, three goals and eight score involvements against Hawthorn.

He is 23 turning 24, so if you slotted him into a forward line as the second forward with quality delivery what is his upside?

If clubs are going to pay an above-average salary, will they be guaranteed an above-average output?

6. Jack Darling (West Coast)

At his best Darling has been a weapon and the Eagles should consider all options to maximise their draft hand but Darling is surely too old and too costly.

He has just turned 31 and kicked 15 goals in 13 games this year, and is due as much as $800,000 a season for the next two years.

If he was cheaper Richmond might consider him as a stop-gap for three seasons while Ryan, Ben Miller and Jacob Bauer developed but not at $800,000 a year.

Would the Eagles pay some of Darling’s salary to get a top 30 draft pick in exchange?

They would need to for rival clubs to get interested.

7. Ash Johnson (Collingwood)

He is a jumping jack who kicks goals, he can play second ruck, he is a lovely shot at goal (15.9 last year, 18.9 this year).

Rival clubs have come strongly at him given they believe he has been pushed down the pecking order with the introduction of Dan McStay.

But McStay’s injury issues have given him enough game time this year – 13 games, 18 contested marks – to believe he has a future at the Pies.

That means he is set to be taken off the table as a live prospect as he nears a new deal.

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/wreck-it-ralph-the-bare-forwards-market-and-how-clubs-are-going-to-get-inventive/news-story/82344c33be080b1221ac9001e458bf3b

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #108 on: July 11, 2023, 07:40:54 PM »
I think we already have a potential CHF in Gibcus. That’s where i would start.

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #109 on: July 11, 2023, 09:37:27 PM »
Gibcus will either be a swingman or more likely just a defender who occasionally swings forward like Harry Taylor-  won't be a permanent forward. :shh
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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #110 on: July 11, 2023, 09:46:48 PM »
Reckon Gibcus is shortening as a forward by the day.
While I’m still a doubter, Young is definitely improving each week playing the gorilla forward.

Balta, Broad, Grimes
Rioli, Young, Short

Can work as a back 6.

Gibcus can work as a swingman but showed he can lead and is a lovely kick. Can plug gaps down back.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #111 on: July 11, 2023, 10:08:08 PM »
The fact we're chasing a forward suggests we're not counting on Gibcus to do the job. Also Grimes is half cooked and will more than likely retire at the end of next year. Also depends what plans we have for Bauer & Biggy- the latter I fear will probably be delisted. :shh
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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #112 on: July 11, 2023, 10:25:47 PM »
Agree, we will probably  need him to replace Grimes as an intercepter sooner rather than later and we need a bigger type forward who crashes packs and won’t be muscled out

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #113 on: July 11, 2023, 10:53:45 PM »
Reckon Gibcus is shortening as a forward by the day.
While I’m still a doubter, Young is definitely improving each week playing the gorilla forward.

Balta, Broad, Grimes
Rioli, Young, Short

Can work as a back 6.

Gibcus can work as a swingman but showed he can lead and is a lovely kick. Can plug gaps down back.


Only problem with this is that Grimes is probably going into his last year you'd think. Broad is 30. Doesn't look like Biggie will come on or Miller become a stable back. So we'll need another KPD and Gibcus is probably it.

Need to draft a forward or find someone affordable and serviceable. Bauer? Bradtke? Not a lot to bet on there.

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #114 on: July 15, 2023, 06:27:04 PM »
This Ollie Lord kid looks like a very promising power forward based off this 1 game I’ve watched of him. His kicking is quite shocking but if you could fix that up he looks the goods. Think the commentators mentioned he was a bit disgruntled with his game time which I don’t see changing with Dixon and Marshall holding down their key posts.

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #115 on: July 15, 2023, 07:57:53 PM »
This Ollie Lord kid looks like a very promising power forward based off this 1 game I’ve watched of him. His kicking is quite shocking but if you could fix that up he looks the goods. Think the commentators mentioned he was a bit disgruntled with his game time which I don’t see changing with Dixon and Marshall holding down their key posts.
I was thinking the same thing. I would go after him for sure

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #116 on: July 15, 2023, 08:47:17 PM »
This Ollie Lord kid looks like a very promising power forward based off this 1 game I’ve watched of him. His kicking is quite shocking but if you could fix that up he looks the goods. Think the commentators mentioned he was a bit disgruntled with his game time which I don’t see changing with Dixon and Marshall holding down their key posts.
I was thinking the same thing. I would go after him for sure

Also agree.

Got a glimpse and thought he looked like a powerful lead up forward.

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #117 on: July 15, 2023, 08:53:15 PM »
Dreaming - they'll give up Georgiades before they give up Lord. :shh
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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #118 on: July 15, 2023, 08:55:10 PM »
The bleeding obvious is we need another key forward or 2
If Jack retires and Lynchy goes down again we would be down to kids and back men playing forward
Our recruiters got this wrong imho , we missed out on a couple of decent ones  currently playing seniors in the lest few years

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Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2023
« Reply #119 on: July 15, 2023, 09:01:32 PM »
De Rooyan went 2 slots after Brown….
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.