Jasper Alger [merged]

[JP Tiger]

Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?

This has happened many times, I even see other sides doing the same with their first gamers. 
Personally I don't think its a bad idea so I don't have a problem with it.  Giving the young blokes the sub vest lets them experience the game before they get thrown into it.  When they do get a run they are matched up on a bloke who has already run 7kms or so, giving the young bloke an advantage.  They can go hard knowing there is only a half or even a quarter left to play.
 
We talk about the importance of development but don't want to see it or have to put up with it!  We talk about green shoots but expect them to magically appear on the field as fully grown crops ready to yield fruit ...     

I can see your point but I just think it's wrong and I'm not convinced having a kid play as the sub does then any favours.

I think playing the last 30-40min of a game would be difficult, especially when your team is crap and getting smashed. You're walking onto the field when the result is guaranteed, your teammates have already dropped their heads, and you're trying to get involved in a contest that's already over etc.

Ok, there are two ways to view it.  But I think players learn more from the defeats & struggles than they learn from the downhill skiing coast to victory.  Which lessons do we want our draftees to learn? 
Learning that nothing comes easy during your first game is a valuable lesson.  Earning the right to be on the field & paying your dues is part of it.   

What coast to victory are you talking about? We've had none of those easy wins this year.

I think it would be better to play a debutant from the beginning of the game so they're out there with a 0-0 scoreline, everyone is motivated and trying to win still, and the little 'battles within the game' and still developing - rather than subbing them on when it's all done and dusted, the heads are dropping and the team is just getting whipped for a bit longer with no hope of winning.

You can always sub a kid off if they're tired in the 3rd Q.

With the 'coast to victory' point, I wasn't talking about this year.  There have been many years, many footballers & many first games before this one. 

What would you think of the kid who turned his nose up at the thought of the sub vest?  Do you want hard nosed commandos who stand up when things go bad, or down hill skiers full of entitlements?   
 

[Diocletian]

Interim Yze loves putting the kids on a hiding to nothing. Like sending out your #3 two overs before stumps.

[Tiger Khosh]

Happens across all clubs and I don’t like it. Think it just devalues the experience of the kids making their debuts that they only got to play 10-20mins. I think theres been examples of players from other teams that debuted as the sub and didn’t get subbed on at all. That still counts as your debut game and you never get to have another.

[Willy]

Get your family to the game and hype you up on social media then put you on at 3/4 time when we are already 12 goals down and getting flogged.

Brilliant stuff. Great for morale and development….

[Willy]

No less, in a season that is all about development…

Just a dumb and shameful decision by the club.

[Knighter]

No less, in a season that is all about development…

Just a dumb and shameful decision by the club.

Yep. Clear Yze is not so one that can read the room.

[WilliamPowell]

I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.

Hated it last year, where it was far too common.

But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less

[Andyy]

I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.

Hated it last year, where it was far too common.

But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less

Noted, and this made it all the more disappointing for me tbh.

I thought they had learned and were moving away from that BS.

[Damo]

I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.

Hated it last year, where it was far too common.

But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less

Noted, and this made it all the more disappointing for me tbh.

I thought they had learned and were moving away from that BS.

Well said Andyy

And for where we are at as a team, it’s inexcusable

[WilliamPowell]

I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.

Hated it last year, where it was far too common.

But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less

Noted, and this made it all the more disappointing for me tbh.

I thought they had learned and were moving away from that BS.

Absolutely agree

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Reckon we have nailed it.  Great opportunity for the club to either explain the logic and apologise or explain it so we can all understand it. The coach doesn’t strike me as being arrogant or aloof like many in the afl so some communication wouldn’t go astray here

[Tiger Khosh]

lol explain the logic and apologise?

I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.

That is a wild wild take.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

lol explain the logic and apologise?

I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.

That is a wild wild take.

It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment

[Francois Jackson]

lol explain the logic and apologise?

I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.

That is a wild wild take.

It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment

well said HRT 

[Willy]

lol explain the logic and apologise?

I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.

That is a wild wild take.

It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment

 

It may not be a big deal to some, but it is to me and a lot of other fans it seems.