bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!

[Ox]

X,u only like him co's he's aboriginal - Face it.

[WilliamPowell]

From where I was sitting yesterday and using your criteria X nearly the entire team should never play again.

Want me to go through them one by one?

We had IMHO 2 winners yesterday – Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it) and Johnson because of the job he did on Hodge. Patto was OK but his goal kicking let him down.

i want to make this loud and clear i effing hate tiv, weak prick who cant kick!!!

This is a perfect example of what bg25 & I were talking about last night on the plane coming home.

It seems for some people if you don’t like a player it doesn’t matter what they do or how they do it – they are crap, end of story. Now if you like a player it doesn’t matter how they play there is always excuses – he was carrying an injury, he tried but he had an off day. A little bit of consistency in evaluation criteria wouldn’t go astray.

I will agree that Tiv didn’t have a great game but neither did Krak, neither did Hall, neither did about 15 other blokes running around in Richmond jumpers.

Last time i saw him in the last qtr, he was standing wide of the pack waiting for an easy give which didn't come his way - the Hawks ran away with the ball.
 
From Moi:

Sorry X, but i wish you would really look at his game and especially his worth.
I would dearly love to see him do well and shove it up me, so to speak, but how long do we have to wait?
If that's how you describe his game today, i am totally baffled   

Glad it showed up on the TV Moi because things like that rarely do it seems. But I have to say Krak wasn’t alone in that aspect of the game especially up forward. Want me to start a list? 

Actually the lack of hard running by our mid-field and forwards was shocking at best, with the word pathetic being one of the most apt descriptions. The number of times we had blokes just jogging along waiting for something to happen was unacceptable.

i am fuming, polo was hardly given a run today and wallace is effing around with meyer, get him settled up fwd where he belongs.

Polo got plenty of game time, he was on Bateman and Bateman beat him – simple. The only time Polo came off was when Bateman did. It was his worst game but he will learn. Meyer was also beaten – tried hard but struggled to get into the game. To say his position is up forward is, well, let me say that IMO the kid is a natural mid-fielder who at the moment is not physically strong enough to play there.

Wallace can rip shreads off he players today for their poor efforts but he should also admit he had a shocker in the coaching box. Franklin had kicked 1 goal all year and a dud like Brennan none but today we made them look like superstars up forward

We had a lot of terrible match-ups. I couldn’t understand why they didn’t try Foley on Mitchell. Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual

Newman on Williams was another shocker – Newman struggles on the small forwards close to goal and gives us more running off HB. Tuck is simply not coping with being tagged so why not send him to FF and give us a leading mobile option?

Want me to go on……………

And for good measure I won’t even start on the shocking decision making and skill errors

tiv, iirc , kicked 4 points, all at crucial stages, all kickable. for a guy the media keep saying has a gr8 kick, he is a damn joke.

Browny's a bloody good kick to and he missed a couple of sitters but everyone will say it's OK because he is coming back form injury - 40 metres out sorry but  no it aint

about krak, he busted his guts in teh packs in the 1st half, and every time deserved a free and every time didnt get one, at times he was also pinned 4 holding the ball when he was trying to get the ball on not hold it in. i think the umpiring broke his spirit and hunger, it can happen. many times the hawks held the ball in, and never got done 4 holding the ball. its bs

Broke his hunger  ??? - sorry X but that has to be the biggest cop out of the season - if you allow a few poor umpiring decision influence the way you play you might as well go fishing or bike riding along the St Kilda foreshore.

Scope the ball in under the pack and you deserved to get pinged - Krak did and he got pinged - simple!

But then again applying your argument - Tivva must have had his spirit and hunger broken too when he almost lost his head with it being pratically ripped off and he was pinged for holding the ball too

[letsgetiton!]

From where I was sitting yesterday and using your criteria X nearly the entire team should never play again.

Want me to go through them one by one?

We had IMHO 2 winners yesterday – Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it) and Johnson because of the job he did on Hodge. Patto was OK but his goal kicking let him down.

i want to make this loud and clear i effing hate tiv, weak prick who cant kick!!!

This is a perfect example of what bg25 & I were talking about last night on the plane coming home.

It seems for some people if you don’t like a player it doesn’t matter what they do or how they do it – they are crap, end of story. Now if you like a player it doesn’t matter how they play there is always excuses – he was carrying an injury, he tried but he had an off day. A little bit of consistency in evaluation criteria wouldn’t go astray.

I will agree that Tiv didn’t have a great game but neither did Krak, neither did Hall, neither did about 15 other blokes running around in Richmond jumpers.

Last time i saw him in the last qtr, he was standing wide of the pack waiting for an easy give which didn't come his way - the Hawks ran away with the ball.
 
From Moi:

Sorry X, but i wish you would really look at his game and especially his worth.
I would dearly love to see him do well and shove it up me, so to speak, but how long do we have to wait?
If that's how you describe his game today, i am totally baffled   

Glad it showed up on the TV Moi because things like that rarely do it seems. But I have to say Krak wasn’t alone in that aspect of the game especially up forward. Want me to start a list? 

Actually the lack of hard running by our mid-field and forwards was shocking at best, with the word pathetic being one of the most apt descriptions. The number of times we had blokes just jogging along waiting for something to happen was unacceptable.

i am fuming, polo was hardly given a run today and wallace is effing around with meyer, get him settled up fwd where he belongs.

Polo got plenty of game time, he was on Bateman and Bateman beat him – simple. The only time Polo came off was when Bateman did. It was his worst game but he will learn. Meyer was also beaten – tried hard but struggled to get into the game. To say his position is up forward is, well, let me say that IMO the kid is a natural mid-fielder who at the moment is not physically strong enough to play there.

Wallace can rip shreads off he players today for their poor efforts but he should also admit he had a shocker in the coaching box. Franklin had kicked 1 goal all year and a dud like Brennan none but today we made them look like superstars up forward

We had a lot of terrible match-ups. I couldn’t understand why they didn’t try Foley on Mitchell. Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual

Newman on Williams was another shocker – Newman struggles on the small forwards close to goal and gives us more running off HB. Tuck is simply not coping with being tagged so why not send him to FF and give us a leading mobile option?

Want me to go on……………

And for good measure I won’t even start on the shocking decision making and skill errors

tiv, iirc , kicked 4 points, all at crucial stages, all kickable. for a guy the media keep saying has a gr8 kick, he is a damn joke.

Browny's a bloody good kick to and he missed a couple of sitters but everyone will say it's OK because he is coming back form injury - 40 metres out sorry but  no it aint

about krak, he busted his guts in teh packs in the 1st half, and every time deserved a free and every time didnt get one, at times he was also pinned 4 holding the ball when he was trying to get the ball on not hold it in. i think the umpiring broke his spirit and hunger, it can happen. many times the hawks held the ball in, and never got done 4 holding the ball. its bs

Broke his hunger  ??? - sorry X but that has to be the biggest cop out of the season - if you allow a few poor umpiring decision influence the way you play you might as well go fishing or bike riding along the St Kilda foreshore.

Scope the ball in under the pack and you deserved to get pinged - Krak did and he got pinged - simple!

But then again applying your argument - Tivva must have had his spirit and hunger broken too when he almost lost his head with it being pratically ripped off and he was pinged for holding the ball too

and u reckon i favor players?????? hmmmmmmmmm

[Bulluss]

I reckon a straight swap to North.

Krak for Hay.

We have just as much chance of getting some return.

[wayne]

If I was an out of form player, i'd love to play the Tigers. We seem to able to run anyone who's been playing sh!tful back into form.

I stuck up for Hall last week, but he played a bad one today.

Patto was the positive, started to show a bit, covered the ground well and looks like he can take a contested grab. Needs a bit more awareness though.

Agree with Deledio being lazy as well.

Krak can't last too much longer, he's had plenty of chances.

[Moi]

I just reckon they were due for a loss (wake-up call, if you will).  They got it.
Too many players didn't play well to single just a couple out.  When they consistently play like that, i reckon you've got grounds to bag them (ie Tiv last year).  But most of the players this year have been playing pretty well, with a few playing above the rest - Bowden, Petts, Simmo, Rainsey even.  The rest of them have been playing well, but still lots of errors in their game, which get highlighted more depending on who it is.  If it's Tiv, is a monty for everyone to blame him for the whole team's performance    Easy scapegoat and lets other culprits off the hook too easily.  He missed goals, but wasn't alone.  Most of them were on the 50 metre line, so they weren't gimme goals. On days like yesterday when everyone's playing badly, the ones who play the worst are the scapegoat when it should be the lot of them.  Is like saying a guy who kicks the winning goal is responsible for winning a game - totally forgetting the other 100 minutes or so that got them to that point.

[letsgetiton!]

I just reckon they were due for a loss (wake-up call, if you will).  They got it.
Too many players didn't play well to single just a couple out.  When they consistently play like that, i reckon you've got grounds to bag them (ie Tiv last year).  But most of the players this year have been playing pretty well, with a few playing above the rest - Bowden, Petts, Simmo, Rainsey even.  The rest of them have been playing well, but still lots of errors in their game, which get highlighted more depending on who it is.  If it's Tiv, is a monty for everyone to blame him for the whole team's performance    Easy scapegoat and lets other culprits off the hook too easily.  He missed goals, but wasn't alone.  Most of them were on the 50 metre line, so they weren't gimme goals. On days like yesterday when everyone's playing badly, the ones who play the worst are the scapegoat when it should be the lot of them.  Is like saying a guy who kicks the winning goal is responsible for winning a game - totally forgetting the other 100 minutes or so that got them to that point.

not blaming just tiv.

but tiv, hall , team selection, team positioning , coaching decision making, tuck ,staff,  krak, and lids are the main reasons why we lost along with attitude

[WilliamPowell]

Too many players didn't play well to single just a couple out. 

Exactly the point I was trying to make Moi.

From where I was sitting yesterday and using your criteria X nearly the entire team should never play again.

Want me to go through them one by one?

We had IMHO 2 winners yesterday – Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it) and Johnson because of the job he did on Hodge. Patto was OK but his goal kicking let him down.

As I said above...

With the exception of 2 or 3 most of them had absolute shockers. As a team we weren't switched on from the first bounce and we copped the result we deserved because of it.

[Mr Magic]

krak busted his guts today trying to win the hard ball, he was ferocious at the ball, cant blame him, he never cost us any goals. he was unlucky many times not to be awarded frees.

Are you for real? Krakouer had 3 possessions to three quarter time.

He's a complete hack. Trade, delist, ...... Just get rid of this lazy footballer.

[Mr Magic]

Newman on Williams was another shocker – Newman struggles on the small forwards close to goal and gives us more running off HB.

Newman did a good job on Williams who's caused us plenty of heartache in the past.

He only had 5 possessions and kicked 1 goal. That's a pretty solid defensive job in my book.

[mightytiges]

Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it)

If I got a dollar for every time someone said that over the years I'd be ........ $1 richer  .
 

Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual

In the Coburg game, Polo exposed Buddy's lack of accountability by continually running forward and off him. Yesterday Razor remained deep in our backline and never moved out of defensive 50 which played into Franklin's hands as Buddy always hangs off contests goal side waiting for a teammate to feed cheap footy out to him or in our case picking off dropped marks  .

[Mr Magic]

Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it)

If I got a dollar for every time someone said that over the years I'd be ........ $1 richer  .
 

Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual

In the Coburg game, Polo exposed Buddy's lack of accountability by continually running forward and off him. Yesterday Razor remained deep in our backline and never moved out of defensive 50 which played into Franklin's hands as Buddy always hangs off contests goal side waiting for a teammate to feed cheap footy out to him or in our case picking off dropped marks  .

I was amazed Polo didn't get another shot at him regardless of Franklin coming back from injury when Polo flogged him.
Polo should have been given first crack particularly given Buddy's well known mental dispositions.

Franklin plays short. 2 marks for the day says it all.
Polo would have played him much tighter and made him accountable.
Hall was loose and his errors allowed Buddy to kick goals and gain confidence. From there the horse had bolted.

Wallace misread this match up big time IMO.

[Ox]

they still need to become MEN as a team.

Too many little boys mentalities.

Coupla years.

[letsgetiton!]

krak busted his guts today trying to win the hard ball, he was ferocious at the ball, cant blame him, he never cost us any goals. he was unlucky many times not to be awarded frees.

Are you for real? Krakouer had 3 possessions to three quarter time.

He's a complete hack. Trade, delist, ...... Just get rid of this lazy footballer.

so many pl are blinded by his efforts. many times krak was burrying himself in packs v 3 and 4 hawks all bty himself with no support, working his but off to try and win the ball, sure , he may has sat a bit back at times, well in the fwd line u have to do that, buddy did it and kicked 6 goals.

i swear many ppl on here think they know what they are seeing but have no idea, terry wont drop krak, cos he was trying to fullfill his role.

where was tuck??? he is meant ti be the ball winner, where was tiv, he was meant to be tagging mitchel
ppl say you cant blame certain players but u can. at critical moments in the game tiv could have , should have kicked goals! but didnt, they then the ball goes str8 to the hawkd fwd line and hall f's up on buddy and goal.
there were too many 12 point turnarounds during the match, and the main culprits were hall and tiv!
this can really damage the spirit of a young side and cre8 bad trends.

i am the first to admit that krak had a dirty day, but he never stopped trying, and at least his skills usually never let us down. u cannot say that about tiv and hall!

staff tried hard but his problem was , he was running out too far from goal, he should know better , he wasnt playing chf but ff and should have stayed there.

regardless of what so many experst posters here think, tiv and hal have always been liabilities , players with reputations  that are greater than their abilities, i have a right to hate tiv and hall because they have bluffed their ways through their careers,
krak is diff and terry knows this, krak was wrapped in cotton wool by spud and it will take time to repair the damage spud created.  but if a good trade comes and we can do better, im all 4 it. at least we could get something 4 krak, but hall and tiv have no value what so ever!l

[Moi]

i am the first to admit that krak had a dirty day

LMAO 

A stat for anyone interested i never expected to find on a stat sheet - Tiv had 10 tackles lol