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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2006, 05:21:04 PM »
X, A gold miner isn't rated on the number of holes he digs in search of the precious metal, he is rated on how much of the shiny stuff he brings out. Krak may dig a lot of holes but more often than not comes up empty handed. Sorry but its a Burger break for mine.

think that analogy is better for tiv and hall not krak !

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2006, 06:40:13 PM »
If someone doesn't show any signs of improvement then 3 years is more than adequate otherwise 5 years for those with potential. By 5 years you should have a pretty good idea if they're are good enough to play AFL at a high standard or not.

Thats the problem now with the lists of 40 or whatever. In the days of lists of 60 you could hide the kids away for the few years, nowadays, you get a few injuries, the kids have to play before they're ready, they don't show anything and the pressure is on them.
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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2006, 07:46:10 PM »
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tiv and hall have both declined and become poorer under terry

Come on X

Pull your head out of your arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you can honestly say that Tiv hasnt improved this season then you are dead set kidding yourself.

He WAS terrible for the last 3 years or so, but this season as a whole for Tiv has been good - very good.

As stated in other posts, i couldnt stand him the last couple of seasons and used to scream my head off abusing him especially last season. This season however i am giving credit where its due and Tiv deserves it. Just admit it.

Krak has shown his potential but unfortunately for us is that he cant maintain that on a consistant basis. It really is a shame.

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2006, 07:55:37 PM »
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tiv and hall have both declined and become poorer under terry

Come on X

Pull your head out of your behind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you can honestly say that Tiv hasnt improved this season then you are dead set kidding yourself.

He WAS terrible for the last 3 years or so, but this season as a whole for Tiv has been good - very good.

As stated in other posts, i couldnt stand him the last couple of seasons and used to scream my head off abusing him especially last season. This season however i am giving credit where its due and Tiv deserves it. Just admit it.

Krak has shown his potential but unfortunately for us is that he cant maintain that on a consistant basis. It really is a shame.

he has declined, look at his effective disposal efficiency rate!!! its a damn joke!!

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2006, 08:09:22 PM »
ahahahaha 4 pages of reading this has done made me dizzy!!!!

I think I started a thread a week ago about this.......let me see if I can find it!
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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2006, 08:40:30 PM »
2006 Player Head to Head Comparison (Average Per Game)
Greg Tivendale Name Andrew Krakouer
Richmond Team Richmond
156 Career Games 85
Rythdale-Officer-Cardinia Origin South Fremantle 
April 19, 1979 Date of Birth February 4, 1983
27            Age     23
185 cm    Height   176 cm
95 kg      Weight   76 kg
12        2006 Games   9
19.2      Disposals     14.2
13.1        Kicks        9.1
5.6        Long Kicks   2.1
5.3            Marks       4.2
0.2    Contested Marks 0.2
6.1       Handballs       5.1
4.8        Tackles       4.4
0.7          Goals       0.8
0.8        Behinds     0.8
0.6       Frees For    0.9
0.8    Frees Against 0.9
0          Hitouts        0
3.1 First Possessions 2.2
2.4     Clearances    1.4
5.6     Inside 50s     2.4
0.9    Rebound 50s   0.4
1.9 Contested Possessions 1.4
19.0 Uncontested Possessions 13.0
3.8     1%ers 3.1
3.5     Errors 2.8
1.4     Bounces   0



http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=112&pid1=652&tid2=112&pid2=200192

This comparison to me says that Tiv gets more ball, lays more tackles, gathers more contested ball, enters F50 more, contributes more 1% to the team, carries the ball more and DOES make more errors than Krak. That is to be expected though when you have the ball in your hands more often.

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2006, 08:43:46 PM »
Richmond Statistical Leaders
 Total                                                                           Average Per Game
 Total Disposals Joel Bowden 285                                     Disposals Per Game Joel Bowden 23.8 
 Total Kicks Joel Bowden 191                                          Kicks Per Game Joel Bowden 15.9 
 Total Marks Kayne Pettifer 105                                       Marks Per Game Kayne Pettifer 8.8 
 Total Handballs Mark Coughlan 117                                  Handballs Per Game Mark Coughlan 9.8 
 Total Tackles Greg Tivendale 57                                     Tackles Per Game Greg Tivendale 4.8 
 Total Goals Kayne Pettifer 22                                         Goals Per Game Matthew Richardson 1.9 
 Total Behinds Matthew Richardson 18                              Behinds Per Game Matthew Richardson 2.0 
 Total Frees For Joel Bowden 15                                      Frees For Per Game Cleve Hughes 1.7 
 Total Frees Against Kayne Pettifer 16                              Frees Against Per Game Danny Meyer 1.8 
 Total Hitouts Troy Simmonds 228                                   Hitouts Per Game Troy Simmonds 19.0 
 Total Contested Marks Matthew Richardson 19                 Contested Marks Per Game Matthew Richardson 2.1 
 Total First Possessions Shane Tuck 60                             First Possessions Per Game Shane Tuck 5.0 
 Total Clearances Shane Tuck 39                                     Clearances Per Game Shane Tuck 3.2 
 Total Inside 50s Greg Tivendale 67                                 Inside 50s Per Game Greg Tivendale 5.6 
 Total Rebounds 50s Joel Bowden 108                            Rebounds 50s Per Game Joel Bowden 9.0 
 Total Contested Possessions Shane Tuck 42                   Contested Possessions Per Game Shane Tuck 3.5 
 Total Uncontested Possessions Joel Bowden 255             Uncontested Possessions Per Game Joel Bowden 21.2 
 Total Long Kicks Greg Tivendale 67                                 Long Kicks Per Game Greg Tivendale 5.6 
 Total 1%ers Joel Bowden 68                                         1%ers Per Game Joel Bowden 5.7 
 Total Errors Matthew Richardson 51                                Errors Per Game Matthew Richardson 5.7 
 Total Bounces Brett Deledio 37                                      Bounces Per Game Brett Deledio 3.4 
 
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/team_home?tid=112

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2006, 10:02:07 PM »
only things i look at are

errors made and the amount
effective possessions and the amount
bounces during a match
Inside 50s
first effective possession from a bounce or throw in
the amount of run shown by players..meterage although this stat isnt available

most of the rest are crap i reckon.

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2006, 07:32:32 AM »
bulll ur love affair with tiv , continues

of course tiv has more stats, he has more game time in the middle! daaaaaaaaa

how many of tivs long kicks inside 50 miss tagets, they get counted as stars but in actual fact start turnovers and rebounds, dont be fooled by stats!

why dont you just propose to tiv?

just face it, his efficincy as stated by champion data in teh footy record is only 58%
NOT GOOD ENOUGH

AND ITS PLAIN SILLY COMPARING A FULLTIME ONBALLER TO A FORWARD POCKET PLAYER! :thumbsup

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2006, 05:49:36 PM »
You started this thread bagging a couple of our players and then try and defend Krakouer?
It's laughable. :lol

IMO I'd rather have both Tivendale and Hall ahead of Krakouer in the side.
They both offer considerably more than Krak IMO.

I suppose next you'll be saying Krak's the perfect player to step up into Cogs role. LMAO.

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2006, 06:17:42 PM »
You started this thread bagging a couple of our players and then try and defend Krakouer?
It's laughable. :lol

IMO I'd rather have both Tivendale and Hall ahead of Krakouer in the side.
They both offer considerably more than Krak IMO.

I suppose next you'll be saying Krak's the perfect player to step up into Cogs role. LMAO.

thats ur opinion and i lmao at u!

and btw, if krak had teh fitness he would be better than cogs in the midfeild!

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2006, 06:33:51 PM »
IF

LMFAO

What an insult to Cogs.

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2006, 07:29:08 PM »
Im not a Cogs fan and seriously that is insulting....terrible comment.
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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2006, 07:35:20 PM »
yes  if! i said if

but krak has far better kicking and handbballing skills than cogs, is a better kick for goal, and just as goood if not better tackler. for such a light frame he wins teh hard ball also. if and yes a big if, krak had the motor he would be a better midfielder than cogs, for all the reasons i stated and teh fact he has a real footy brain!

no insult to cogs, none at all, cogs is goos but vastl;y overrated

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Re: bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2006, 07:48:34 PM »
If both careers were to end today, who would have achieved the most.
They don't give out B&Fs to anyone.  Some really ridiculous stuff in this thread, and, i agree, belittles Cogs' achievements.
Krak doesn't even have OP as an excuse - he's simply just not good enough.