bloody f__ken tiv and hall!!!!!!

[letsgetiton!]

i am the first to admit that krak had a dirty day

LMAO 

A stat for anyone interested i never expected to find on a stat sheet - Tiv had 10 tackles lol

tiv was crap! 10 tackles and none stuck!
if krak played midfiled all day he would have 20 tackles a game and all would stick!

[Mr Magic]

Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit.

[letsgetiton!]

Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit.

he is not lazy
everyone used to call joel bowden lazy , but he isnt. krak along with brown is our smartest footballer in the team, the only player with raw footy brains, no one in our team has that, tambling is close other than that no one, a team full of bimbos, thats why they need tiger tafe!

[mightytiges]

Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit.

he is not lazy
everyone used to call joel bowden lazy , but he isnt. krak along with brown is our smartest footballer in the team, the only player with raw footy brains, no one in our team has that, tambling is close other than that no one, a team full of bimbos, thats why they need tiger tafe!

Agree X that once Krak gets the footy he has the footy smarts but he just doesn't get his hands on the footy enough consistently. We had at least 15 blokes who had shockers so I don't mean to single him out but 3 possies up to 3/4 time puts him in that "had a shocker" category. We needed Tigers who got in and put their head over the footy but too many skirted around contests expecting a teammate to feed the ball out to them.

[Moi]

And if Krak was good enough to play midfield, don't ya reckon he would be there playing now after all the years he's been at the club.
Struggling to hold down where he is, let alone shoving him in the deep end where his fitness level, or lack of one, would soon be found wanting.

[Mr Magic]

Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit.

he is not lazy

If he's not lazy then his fitness just isn't up to standard.
He' not fit enough to be considered a midfielder and surely is close to the slowest indigenous player ever.
He's not productive enough to be considered a specialist forward.

Don't just take my word for it,TW said pretty much the same thing at the start of the year.
At 23 yrs of age he's reached his potential. It ain't going to get any better from here.
This is as good as Krak is going to get and it's not good enough.

Do not be surprised one bit if Krakouer gets dumped to Coburg for the Pies match on the back of his past two "performances".
TW has done it once already and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again.
I hope it does.

[Moi]

He's a great little tackler, and he sometimes shows glimpses of brilliance and you think, gee, he could be something special.  But that's it, it's just glimpses and that's not good enough IMO.

[letsgetiton!]

He's a great little tackler, and he sometimes shows glimpses of brilliance and you think, gee, he could be something special.  But that's it, it's just glimpses and that's not good enough IMO.

at least krak shows glimpses, that means he has potential, players like tiv and hall show nothing, no glimpses, no potential! what so ever!!!

[WilliamPowell]

at least krak shows glimpses, that means he has potential, players like tiv and hall show nothing, no glimpses, no potential! what so ever!!!

Actually you've just indirectly raised an interesting question X - how long can any player survive based on the fact they have POTENTIAL ?

Seriously how long do you give them? 3 years, 5 years , 6 years?

[letsgetiton!]

at least krak shows glimpses, that means he has potential, players like tiv and hall show nothing, no glimpses, no potential! what so ever!!!

Actually you've just indirectly raised an interesting question X - how long can any player survive based on the fact they have POTENTIAL ?

Seriously how long do you give them? 3 years, 5 years , 6 years?

how long can players survive with bad kicking skills, no potential at all or bimbo brain power?

lets see
bad kicking skills...........d.kellaway gaspar
no potemtial...........tivendale,hall
bimbo brain power........hall, tivendale

i guess krak could play for 15 years based on that

how long have hall and tiv been carried for , tiv has had 3-4 shocking yrs in a row!

[mightytiges]

If it was just 3 years then Pettifer would have been given the chop long ago.

Malcolm Blight during the Brisbane game on the weekend said that all AFL players have ability but only the best have talent. Where talent is understanding the game and making the most of their abilities. I think that's what you judge potential by. If someone doesn't show any signs of improvement then 3 years is more than adequate otherwise 5 years for those with potential. By 5 years you should have a pretty good idea if they're are good enough to play AFL at a high standard or not.

The problem at Richmond was most of our "best" players would have been middle-of-the-road players at other clubs yet we signed anyone up who had even 1 good year (= player with potential) to long $$$ contracts. On top of that we drafted so few youngsters that we would hold onto them for an eternity otherwise we'd have none, instead of drafting a whole bunch per year and sorting the best youngsters from the mediocre.

[WilliamPowell]

how long can players survive with bad kicking skills, no potential at all or bimbo brain power?

lets see
bad kicking skills...........d.kellaway gaspar
no potemtial...........tivendale,hall
bimbo brain power........hall, tivendale

i guess krak could play for 15 years based on that

how long have hall and tiv been carried for , tiv has had 3-4 shocking yrs in a row!

X, I think you missed the point of my question. Perhaps I should have started a seperate thread for it because I really believe it's an interesting footy topic.

I was bagging Krak I was actually looking for people's thoughts on how long you give blokes who are labelled as having "potential"

MT's comments about Pettifer being gone if 3 years was the norm was the thought of thing I am looking at. People have been saying fo years he has "potential" and 2 seasons ago people were saying get rid of him - now he'd be close to leading our B&F. He's been in the system what? 6 seasons? So I suppose the question is how to people judge it considering every player is different etc

I am just really interested in people's views on this.

[mightytiges]

Hyde's another one although he would just be a average AFL footballer. Pettifer is moving up into level where opposition coaches would spending the week focussing a fair bit of attention on how to contain him.

[tiga]

X, A gold miner isn't rated on the number of holes he digs in search of the precious metal, he is rated on how much of the shiny stuff he brings out. Krak may dig a lot of holes but more often than not comes up empty handed. Sorry but its a Burger break for mine.

[letsgetiton!]

how long can players survive with bad kicking skills, no potential at all or bimbo brain power?

lets see
bad kicking skills...........d.kellaway gaspar
no potemtial...........tivendale,hall
bimbo brain power........hall, tivendale

i guess krak could play for 15 years based on that

how long have hall and tiv been carried for , tiv has had 3-4 shocking yrs in a row!

X, I think you missed the point of my question. Perhaps I should have started a seperate thread for it because I really believe it's an interesting footy topic.

I was bagging Krak I was actually looking for people's thoughts on how long you give blokes who are labelled as having "potential"

MT's comments about Pettifer being gone if 3 years was the norm was the thought of thing I am looking at. People have been saying fo years he has "potential" and 2 seasons ago people were saying get rid of him - now he'd be close to leading our B&F. He's been in the system what? 6 seasons? So I suppose the question is how to people judge it considering every player is different etc

I am just really interested in people's views on this.

i knew what you meant wp, i just answered a question with a question so to speak.

i understand what you and mt have said .

re/ petts and hyde, they developed slowly purely and simply cos of spud.

getting back to the question

how long to you keep players on who have potential but dont seem to use it

i say 2 yrs, i know krak hasnt been the best in the last 2 weeks, but b4 that , he had 5 fantastic weeks(b4 he was out injured) but in saying that, if he does not get back to the way he played in those 5 good weeks i beleive he should be traded. he has 10 games to prove he deserves to stay. im th eforst to acknowledge that. i know can do it.

now re hall and tiv, imo they have passed their used by dates and regardless how they play from here on, shoudl be looked at traded or delisted. hall as i understand has 1 more yr left so if he cant be traded, off to coburg in his last year.

anyway 2 years is enough time . petts and hyde have blossomed sinces terry arrived so we can assume spud was the dud who stuffed themm up

krak i believe has improved under terry

tiv and hall have both declined and become poorer under terry

just my opinion